PTI is Spam Calling in Karachi to Market its Jalsa
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A new tactic is being used by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf to call each landline number in Karachi city to market their December 25th Jalsa, reported Express Tribune.
Telephone calls says:
Assalam-o-Alaikum. This is Imran Khan speaking. How are you?
I am coming to your city to bring everyone together on December 25 at Mazar-e-Quaid for a peace rally. I hope that you can break all the shackles and take part because at this rally we need to make the beginings of a new Pakistan. I will be waiting. Thank you.
This marketing strategy was first used to invite people in Lahore before the Jalsa on October 30 and the party felt it produced successful results in mobilizing thousands of people.
This is a new way adopted to stretch a marketing message, but ultimately its SPAM and not entirely legal.
Though we have instances of marketers calling their audience without their consent, but PTA discourages this, in fact PTA has advertised ways to block such spammers.
PTI, being a political party and claimed as trend setter should not adopt SPAM calling methods. The real worry for customers will start when competition parties will follow the same and one might end up getting multiple calls a day from political parties asking for votes.
PTI – you are looked for setting good trends, not for building a SPAM market.
Update:
PTI folks, relax, criticism is good for the political parties. Please take it as a chance to improve. Its SPAM, no matter what you feel like calling it.
We are getting comments that PTI invitation calls are being sent to registered users only (those who registered for PTI SMS service at 80022) - well, that’s not the case. Here are the reasons:
- PTI official confessed that 300,000 calls will be made in Karachi only, that’s half the number of total landline subscribers
- Users registered with 80022 are mobile subscribers, not the landline ones.
Rest you can decide yourself.
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Can you define in what way it is spam? As per my knowledge, it is coming to those people who are registered at 80022 PTI SMS service.
Agree with you! Ensure before mark it spam! :D
u guys have a nice blog. one of biggies in tech field of pakistan. really helpful for many common visitors .. including me. but i m saying it honestly.. that u guys are spoiling it by doing political articles. Mustafa is spot on that PTI, IK are good wrt to SEO… but dont neglect the fact that u are leaving LOTS of ur visitors in bad taste by posting political articles. make a separate one if u really cant resist this urge of going political in u. just my 2cents. good luck.
I am a telecom reporter, i can’t write even two lines about politics; believe me.
I am not Subscribed as mentioned service, but still got the Call & the Calls are dial to PTCL numbers !
Agree with you.. it’s not spam.. You guys are subscribed to PTI SMS server 80022
Agree!
I wouldn’t mind getting a phone call from Imran Khan :D
Agreed
I’m assuming they aren’t calling randomly. They have huge number of subscribers and they may be calling them only.
I dont know for a fact. But if you do, please share.
Post updated with more facts.
two things.
1. it’s not a spam, there is no commercial aspect and is a one-time message from a non-profit organization.
2. as per current rules this is not illegal as well.
Thanks and best reagards,
Okay i agree, its not SPAM, because
Its for good reason
Its only one time message
Its for 15 seconds only
Its not illegal becasuse we don’t have a cyber law
It happens all over the world
And above all, coz its from PTI
What they call it, dual standards? or hypocritical maybe?
I wish you update your knowledge and understand what is SPAM.
may be a good start would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29
secondly you should correct your post where you stated it as “not entirely legal.”
i am not advocating PTI here, just telling you how i see this thing, and in return i won’t expect a comment like “Its not SPAM because it’s from PTI”
if i am not agreeing with you on something it neither give you privilege to call me “blind”
I tried reading this entry and it said:
Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately.
That’s what PTI is doing, isn’t it?
No PTI is making RoboCalls :)
SPAM is a different thing dude
and most of the nations around the world allow political robocalls.
PTA ke pass tu koi law hi nahi ha robocalls ka. tu illeagal kaha se ho gai :)
Imran Khan ki awaz main robocalls? app mazaq kar rahay hain yaqeeenan…
Sorry to say, but you Mr Admin is one of the biggest dual-standards person I’ve come across.
PS: I’m not a supporter of PTI, so I’m not saying because of that.
Tu kia ap Kareena Kapoor ki awaz mein suna chahtay ho? Imran Khan jalsa tu woh apni awaz mein message kere ga nah.
point was that these are not robocalls
Saad, Vicky,
Interestingly it seems like admin posted this post in a hurry and without doing a proper research on the subject.
Please search the term “RoboCall” and tell us here if Karachites are getting SPAM call or RoboCall. (i will be waiting for an update on this one from admin)
I wouldn’t have any issue with this post if you have used proper term “robocall” instead of “spam” it’s quiet misleading.
i am wondering if you would call a traffic jam a “Vehicle SPAM” or a political public gathering a “human spam” :)
I agree with Aamir… PTI fans do not have sense to welcome criticism. PTI fan following is like a JIALAA’s. Just like PPP killed itself, PTI would be too if such NON-SENSE fans keep following it blindly.
All those Musharraf party’s corrupt people who SOLD Pakistan’s Foreign policy to U.S are now in IMRAN KHAN Tehreek, with same DESI/Traditional TROLLEY Culture of Pakistan. Imran khan truly faked people like me, who were expecting to see some big change with TRULY TALENTED, EDUCATED, Professional people.
To top this all PTI fans do not have sense to accept and appreciate criticism & workout the things that are pointed.
Okay, mr admin. Define Robocall. Wikipedia says it is
Robocall is a term for an automated phone call that uses both a computerized autodialer and a computer-delivered pre-recorded message. The implication is that a “robocall” resembles a telephone call from a robot. Robocalls are often associated with political and telemarketing phone campaigns, but can also be used for public-service or emergency announcements.
Which describes EXACTLY what PTI’s message is.
But I’d like to hear your definition.
ap tu har kaam ki opposition kartay ho. pehlay kehtay ho kay 80022 kay register users ko calls ki gayi. uss jooth say baat nahi bani tu robocall ki taraf nikal gaye ho
Sahid these were not robocalls because:
- It was not in robotic voice
- Robocall must communicate a number where customers can call back
- Robocall should be designed in a way that receiver could recognize its nature before attending it.
I hope it explains well to justify you.
– – It was not in robotic voice
OH MY GOD I CANT BELIEVE I’M READING THIS!
Go to Youtube and listen to videos of actual political robocalls in the West. THEY ARE ALL WITH REAL VOICES AND REAL PEOPLE!
Listen to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TS_Kgo-HEU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IK6U__Llqas#t=11s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgsZ0XLePn4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ManvViFZ4l4
– – Robocall must communicate a number where customers can call back
In the US, YES. In Pakistan??? Of course not. So your point is irrelevant.
– – Robocall should be designed in a way that receiver could recognize its nature before attending it.
Not a requirement of a robocall at all. Again, something you have invented like “robotic voice.”
Rule 2 and 3 are not effective in Pakistan? Why is that? I mean how come we can regulate our telemarketing calls under US law? We aren’t living in Missouri?
And just to mention, robocalls are telemarketing or SPAM calls, which are not allowed or are regulated in 23 states of US, but then again.
You are actually missing the point, if not stopped, these SPAM calls will kill your day and night. Parties will keep calling you whatever time they feel like, without worrying about time, DNCR or any other regulation.
P.S. I was a PTI supporter till today, and had this feeling that PTI had young and understanding minds, but they are not. I used to term PTI a better choice in all available option, but I am disappointed – I am again leaderless.
Aamir, you need to get the perspective right. Currently, there are no regulations against Robocalls in Pakistan. These messages come during the day and at convenient hours.
If you have a problem with this, take this to PTI. Email them. At least, they will hear you out. Furthermore, there are 52 states in US. Only 23 regulate them which is a minority.
This call is a “one-time” event. It seems that your website is controversy driven now.
What about “The Prevention of Electronic Crimes Bill 2007 ” not passed??
It clearly mentions spamming punishable with penalty of Rs 50000 or prison of upto 3 minths or both.
http://www.t2f.biz/events/wp-content/prevention-of-electronic-crimes-act.pdf
It lapsed an year ago. Furthermore, this is no crime. There is no fraud involved in it.
Totally Agree with aamir
I assume the admin is against PTI and now he found a chance to criticise imran openly. Shame aamir. . .
Shame on you,
I am not against PTI either, but on this Spamming issue, Amir is 100% right! shame on you that you point finger without any valid reason !
Please don’t make such direct fatwas :) ; i never felt he is against PTI
i wont mind getting that call either :P
Yup its a spam, you like or not :)
Still better than Zardari don’t calling the people who need support.
As a PTI supporter if I had written this article title would be: “PTI using technology to invite people to Jalsa”.
But suddenly the thought of Altaf Bhai calling me sent shivers to my spine. (The call won’t be an invite but for donations!!)
The only best part of the post is :
“The real worry for customers will start when competition parties will follow the same and one might end up getting multiple calls a day from political parties asking for votes.”
As, we pakistani’s only need to know any trend then we all madly follow that trend without considering the results of the Trend.
i think, criticism on PTI, and other discussion on PTI, will make PTI large, and PTI supporters should allow them to criticism on PTI (but with respect & responsible criticism should be allowed)… I am supporter of PTI, but i think the winds are with Imran Khan & PTI…
someone said: ( i think it was from a movie )
” JB TUMHARE MUKHALFAT MIEN BATIEN HO RAHI HO, AUR LOG TUMHARA MUKHALFAT KARTEY JAYIEN, TO TUM SAMJHNA KE TARAKI KR RAHE HO”
lolz is se tu mughy yaie samjh ata he k Zordari bari taraqi kr raha he:D
I think author is frustrated about not recieving a phone call, its like “main ni te fer baaki kion” ” a spam a” situation :p
Well Amir,
I agree & disagree with you. Basically Brother Spam is mostly related to the Advertisement of the Product. Where you make Bulk Mailing & Deliveries so you can get Money and sales.
But this is different. First it is for the Noble Cause. It is for the Unity & it is One time non-annoying Message.it is to boost energy among youth. So relating it directly with the SPAM. i think its not fair.
Now regarding Your Second point of Following Parties. As you know IK(PTI) always play things under boundaries. they never abused system and i hope will not do in the future as well. But other parties might abuse it.
So PTA should make some Rules on it so everyone can Play safe.
I just request you to please change the topic from Direct SPAM & Possible SPAM.
Don’t know but i felt a bit unfair to PTI. And Request to all Insafians. (We should accept all Criticism Openly.And that is real change) Don’t reply with Arrogance & Anger, Reply with Politeness & Facts.
PTI Zindabas!
Longlive Imran Khan
Thanks for Reading
Jahanzeb
I would encourage the admin to change the word “spam calling” in title with “robocalls”, it’s a humble request as current title is very misleading.
Cold calling is a part of SPAM… whether its an automatic call or you have an actual person on the other end
Aamir, spam or not, let’s see if it is good or bad?
To me it is 100 times better than getting heavy promotional & commercial spam from carriers.
I still have some of the unsolicited emails by pro-pakistani in start of year 2010 when you tried spamming for over a month.
Bro, its because of subscription. You chose it and you can also stop it. Thats like a newspaper you got from hawker every morning.
no, you did not get the point. I am talking way before pro-pakistani got a massive list of subscribers. This was done using a third party email (spam) marketing company charging 3k-8k to send your email to their 500,000+ Pakistanis list. Probably, Pro-Pakistani had a monthly plan with them and they advertised their own subscription list in it as well. Do you want me to add that email on my blog and give a link here?
بلکہ آپ اسے جوبھی نام دیں یہ غلط ہے۔
I guess, the better way can be if political parties SMS users / subscribers about their campaign, instead calling landline numbers.
whether spam or not but there are more big spams in this country which r v dangerous for us like memo, like load shedding of gas, like supreme court gives order to govt and govt breaks it.. so we need change… personally i beleive that this is not good to call some1 bcz may be some1 is ill in the home and disturbed from this but this time the whole nation is ill and we all need treatment.. so dont mind calls which u ppl calling spam bcz its for our country betterness….we should be ready to sacrifice our comfort for this country.. love u Pakistan
absolutely rite… sacrifice your comfort because imran is sacrificing everything for US! his wealth,luxurious life, marriage,children,wife everything for PAkistan… and if u are not willing to sacrifice just your comfort then be prepare to die from hunger,poverty,curruption,target killing,violence,drones etc etc etc…
Pakistan ka ab ALLAH hi HAFIZ…..
Dude anything which PTI does is justified. Period! Be it spam calling or lotacricy or whateva :P
Admin… i dont know whether it is true or not,if it is true then why didn’t any media leak this? why you people? and if it is true then from what law u can call this a spam ? there is no such law in Pakistan!
please dont try to potray bad image of PTI,PTI has done many good things why didnt u post that?
This is not spam..the calls which appeal you for be united & come together to save a country…PTI is political party..but it’s ideology is to save pakistan..so its not spam..correct this….
“PTI is Spam Calling in Karachi to Market its Jalsa”
admin why did you put such a negative title? just for publicity?
can’t explain each of you on how it is spam…
According to WikiPedia:
Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately.
Admin, Please also read this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocall
I agree with you mustafa, admin has included the word “spam” so that he can post the article on this issue.. other wise pro-pakistani has nothing to do with politics..
@admin: In this way if someone got random invitation to attend the “Roza kushai” its also spam ??
When people call randomly for the quran khuani of their beloved father/etc, its also spam ??
you posted this article only because you are biased..
why you do not posted article for many political organizations who do real time chalking under flyovers and underpasses ?? they are also marketing their party..
propakistani is doing propaganda against PTI !
Yes yes it’s backed by RAW, MOSAD and ISRAEL =)
@shen: i am sure ap ko mera yeh comment parh ker dilli tasali hoi ho gi :P
It’s his right to express his opinion, even at home we have difference of opinion between brothers and sisters/ parents and children.
would u even call such family matters a propaganda against you or someone :)
Aamir Bhai,
Sad to hear your views that you become leaderless with a (lets call it) small mistake. We must admit that leaders are human being,we can not have a 100% perfect person.
Second thing, Most of the PTI members replying the post with logic,I think it also show that PTi supporter not “always” use abusive behavior.
Third, I become happy that they use a modern technology for this purpose.
Now if its wrong, than PTA must do something for this… Even if you want to criticize, than 1st criticize govt, they fail to implement the law.
With all above discussion, I still not under stand its OK in Law or not…But if its not, than it must sttop.
I was okay with calls, what I am disappointed about is the way PTI is dealing the criticism. And its not only on this forum, i can now recall every other online-offline forum where PTI supporters try to sabotage the discussion. Okay, let’s say i was wrong – they could have come up with explanations (There’s only one or two who came up with logical and constructional arguments.) instead started calling me Anti-PTI, propaganda, pro-MQM and what not… but that’s okay.
Calling Pro Mqm or anti pti is not an abuse.
Read my most recent comment too. I am also a Pti suporter, and also know allot of PTI suporters they donot use abuses.. But now putting blaming the all Pti suporter that they use abuse behaviour is also wrong.
Second thing, its virtual world, with comment you can not judge who is writer of the comment.
What if in my next comment I change my name and emial id,and start abusing other party.. Will you indentifiy me?
I ve been moderating comments for 3 years… this is my job, which has earned me some experience of judging people.
And BTW i never complained abuse :-/ I mean i was questioning the way PTI handles criticism. Both are different things if you can just feel,
Well, Now I hope you judge me as a Pti suporter?
Yes, Now I may start abusing than? Its not so simple that those (mostly) fake ids 1st show them self as Pti supporter than start abusing. Its my experience on debating different forms. But my be you are also right.
But below the article i think from 1st comment we see a healthy debate. Replying the criticism is not wrong. I see a healthy debate in comments in below this article.
What we need is not think any one as “ideal” that he must be 100% true. Pti suporters and Imran khan can be wrong and also PtiHaters can also be true..
Debate with out abusive language and personal is a very good and need of time.
Thanks for replying aamir bahi:)
Agree to what you have said here
i m a regular visitor of Propakistani and i m really disheartened and disappointed by you people… u are not fair to PTI and with Sir Imran.You people today lost my respect!
We Love Him , We Respect Him , We Revere Him… update your blog with in a positive way!
buddies wait a min suppose this call is being made by zardari for his jalsa on 27, then what will be your reaction.
Its SPAM !!! No doubt about it.
Btw PTI has got double standards as well. Just look at the type of corrupt politicians who are joining PTI ! Dont tell me kay un politicians nay toba kar li hay and they have become good people now !
“Aamir sb jaan diyo sadi wari aan diyo” :D
^ another PTI JIALA.. like PPP’s JIALA system… completely Mad for their masters/leaders, like Rehman Baba is for Zardari. Keep on….
Excuse me I am not a Jiala or something i just said it as a joke :/
In all honesty, check before you talk. Political campaigning through telephone is a global phenomenon and it is usually “one-time” event.
It should say some thing like this, ” Hello i am Imran Khan and i hate every Pakistani politician” :D
Like Mehwish’s Last year’s SUPPORTING ZONG wasn’t enough that now she is calling a 15 second (1 time call) a Spam.
And stop being Sissy over this Admin.
This has to be one of the most interesting posts published on this blog EVER! :D
Great Idea.. Long Live Imran Khan
O yar Leave it This “Spam” Discussion ..it is a dead end!!
Those who got a call Just tell me ” Mzaa aya k nahi ” ?? What Else would be refreshing other than getting a good morning Call in the voice of I.K ??
P.S @Admin what would you say about Altaf Bhai’s Phone calls ?? Are they spam or Not ?? Those calls full fill your definition BTW :P
Admin won’t speak against MQM, He seems to be his Pet.
@Mehvish Khan: Please keep your pathetic point of views with your self. This is a very cheap trick to get famous among Pro-Pakistani visitors..
@admin: I am very much disappointed that unlike news channels you people are also very biased, there are millions of issues which are worth discussing..
Propakistani smell biased after this
Neither the author of this article nor the Admin is biased.
-”there are millions of issues which are worth discussing..”
And this is one of those millions, should be discussed.
This is a very serious issue and needs to be addressed.
I have noticed PTI followers are the most ignorant people. Why don’t they accept criticism? Pathetic.
I think this is a valid question but its not SPAM but infact TELEMARKETING – read my response –
Defending Imran Khan’s Telemarketing buzz for Karachi Jalsa – http://bit.ly/sL1tmA
A message to the so-called PTI-supporters taking offence to this post – CHILL – have a healthy debate and do PTI proud by being respectful to others …. keep your party above the dirty politics of yesteryears ….
Well, I think PTI media cell is so active to abuse the people on internet who critisize PTI (even for their own good).
I was also a PTI supporter some days ago. But then I realize they are threatening journalists & columnist and even a single person who is not involved in politics and ask a simple question about imran khan or PTI policies.
Let me assure you no one in PTI is doing this repetitive abuse
Surely what a way being used by the opposition leaders especially MQM in trying to stop the Jalsa and making a false impression of Imran Khan over the public of Karachi.
you have a adorable platform and you have captured young educated youth all over the world and it is doubtless , but with great powers comes bigger responsibilities , you should think before you post something so that no one get hurt,
i respect freedom of speech but in order to balance
the post you must to tell alternative way to convey his message
Poster said that this strategy was first adopted for 30th oct wala jalsa, my question is why dint you report then? i never heard such thing, at first place i seriously doubt that its happening, i mean how many of all the above commentators have actually received that call?
Actual “spamming” to hoti hay altaf hussain k jalsay mein logo ko baghair unk consent k ghar se uthaya jata hay aur phir lambi lambi bhadi awaaz mei taqreer sunai jaati hay:@
Exactly !!! Tab to nahi blta koi b …
At least it’s better than Wateen Wimax and Qubee promoting their products in SMS marketing :P
Lol where is the spam here? They are not asking you to go and buy something.
I am not sure that it is spam or not but It is surely disturbing people.
Haha, first you call it SPAM and try to relate it, and when you are told about Robocalls you quickly come up with your own theory of Robocalls, then you admit and make other lame excuses, it’s height of state of denial from you mr admin, you are wrong here bro :)
and on top of that all of those who are not agreeing with you, you are calling them blind, arrogant and trolls :|
I won’t be able to make you understand that
these are unsolicited calls?
Made at odd hours?
may disturb people
may fetch other parties to do the same to destroy your day life
anyway…
Going great mr Aamir. Thanks god at-least you are now admitting it was not SPAM, aren’t you?
anyways, this is what i am going to run in my shell after posting this comment :)
cat >> /etc/hosts <<DELIM
http://www.propakistani.pk 127.1.1.420
propakistani.pk 127.1.1.420
DELIM
Chill :) let’s put a stop here :)
Oh yea i was kidding in the previous comment :P
Thanks for your comments, they helped me learn new things…
@Ghulam Mustafa:
You’re technically correct on the robocall part, the marketing campaign being carried out by PTI suits more to be called a robocall, but the real point admin wants to make is whether its a good trend, which certainly is not. I wont like to get unsolicited calls (robotic voice/human voice) whether its from IK or someone else.
@Admin:
I agree with your point that its wont be a good trend to follow but you cannot relate response of the readers to as PTI’s response. Maybe if your voice reaches IK or any other PTI decision makers, they’ll stop it…so till then, don’t feel ‘leaderless’ again.. :)
@PTI die hard fans:
1. The calls cannot be termed as ‘for a “NOBLE” cause’ or else all other parties will do the same.
2. IK/PTI are not God/Angels, they are totally capable of making a mistake. And we all should be able to identify, highlight and admit any wrong doing on part of IK/PTI or there would be no difference in PTI supporters or the supporters of MQM, PMLN, PPP etc. So, lets bring that “CHANGE” in us as well.
3. Anyone highlighting such issue, or doing positive criticism is not anti-PTI. IK/PTI is the only ray of hope for us, lets not ruin it by getting blind and overlooking the mistakes.. :)
4. If someone else is using Spam for any other purpose, it cannot be the justification for IK/PTI to employ that method.. :)
unsolicited communication = SPAM
What else do i need to prove here?
And what would you think of the unsolicited emails by pro-pakistani in start of year 2010 when you tried this this party email services for around a month to update your subscriber’s list?
Aamir, spam or not, let’s see if it is good or bad?
To me it is 100 times better than getting heavy promotional & commercial spam from carriers.
I am supporter of PIT & I also agree with Amir that its spam & will create negative impression.
PTI trolls aside, here is the definition of SPAM according to Meriam Webster : “Unsolicited usually commercial e-mail sent to a large number of addresses” with specific focus on UNSOLICITED and COMMERCIAL.
First off, they arent emails so you can’t label them SPAM. Yes they are to a huge number of people who have not asked for them but they are not COMMERCIAL. SO by definition, these are not spam.
I think Mehwish Khan is an MQM agent :p
Well, actually, it’s about any unsolicited bulk message. Like, bulk posting to lots of forums, to lots of website comments, etc.
Who used abusive language in this whole debate?
I think if one or two may used and got deleted than its does not mean we blame all PTI supporters.
Replying the criticism not wrong… PTi Haters need to open their mind also!!!
what abt all the mobile operators daily messaging promational/different offers msgs to thier customers
This is the question I want to ask :)
If we believe that PTI is doing spam then we should also consider the same for promotional SMS. Every cell phone user know that calls can be rejected but SMS can’t :)