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		<title>By: Really?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Really?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 13:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Betterment of society? really? its censorship and and the power to control information. The more power we give to control information the more abused it is.

and rent a movie to get a life ... lol

next they decide i cant watch my rented movie. see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betterment of society? really? its censorship and and the power to control information. The more power we give to control information the more abused it is.</p>
<p>and rent a movie to get a life &#8230; lol</p>
<p>next they decide i cant watch my rented movie. see.</p>
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		<title>By: Shahid Saleem</title>
		<link>http://propakistani.pk/2012/09/03/pakistan-policy-directive-blocking-blasphemous-national-filtration-system/#comment-2379600</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahid Saleem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t get your point.  You seem to be agreeing with me about how the current filtering is helping our corrupt politicians and bureaucrats.

And yet you say we should have our own filtering system.
And yet you use the example of where filtering systems used by Arab countries AGAINST their own population and that resulted in Arab Spring.

Be clear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get your point.  You seem to be agreeing with me about how the current filtering is helping our corrupt politicians and bureaucrats.</p>
<p>And yet you say we should have our own filtering system.<br />
And yet you use the example of where filtering systems used by Arab countries AGAINST their own population and that resulted in Arab Spring.</p>
<p>Be clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyko</title>
		<link>http://propakistani.pk/2012/09/03/pakistan-policy-directive-blocking-blasphemous-national-filtration-system/#comment-2379436</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 10:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chal mera bhai, Ghussa na kar, we are talking about same points. LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chal mera bhai, Ghussa na kar, we are talking about same points. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://propakistani.pk/2012/09/03/pakistan-policy-directive-blocking-blasphemous-national-filtration-system/#comment-2379284</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 08:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Full of Sh*t!!!

we talk about police they are recruited to protect and for safety of common people but what are they doing?? Protocol of VIP, Hiding political crime..... blah blah you know what?? This department should be abolished too.  Don&#039;t go far away, Judiciary, (except current CJP, he was/is pco judge too) all Marshall Law were supported by them (PCO judges) and what happening with Common man Tarikh pa Tarikh, heavy fee of lawyer, bribe, reader.......... and result we are full of JUISTICE. There are many other depart (almost all) what to do with them??

and another thing censoring Press conference (is supposed to be a matter of PEMRA and) blocking video  url, webpages and fb account is happening because they are corrupt and collect all data concern court if PM can go home then why not this Grade-21 bl**dy officer??  go ahead Im with you. URL blocking is not at all wrong thing but using it to oblige someone is wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Full of Sh*t!!!</p>
<p>we talk about police they are recruited to protect and for safety of common people but what are they doing?? Protocol of VIP, Hiding political crime&#8230;.. blah blah you know what?? This department should be abolished too.  Don&#8217;t go far away, Judiciary, (except current CJP, he was/is pco judge too) all Marshall Law were supported by them (PCO judges) and what happening with Common man Tarikh pa Tarikh, heavy fee of lawyer, bribe, reader&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. and result we are full of JUISTICE. There are many other depart (almost all) what to do with them??</p>
<p>and another thing censoring Press conference (is supposed to be a matter of PEMRA and) blocking video  url, webpages and fb account is happening because they are corrupt and collect all data concern court if PM can go home then why not this Grade-21 bl**dy officer??  go ahead Im with you. URL blocking is not at all wrong thing but using it to oblige someone is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Shahid Saleem</title>
		<link>http://propakistani.pk/2012/09/03/pakistan-policy-directive-blocking-blasphemous-national-filtration-system/#comment-2379225</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahid Saleem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[-- Wikipedia ?? Who owns it and who is the author??

Let me tell you a secret: when someone gives you a link to a wikipedia article, read the article, then verify the contents of the LINKS AT THE BOTTOM TO THE REAL SOURCES.

Wikipedia provides a good summary.  The links are the real material to follow.  Did you see who wrote the links?

Fortunately there DO EXIST Muslims in Pakistan who are willing to investigate and tell the truth.  Example: http://storyofpakistan.com/the-hamood-ur-rahman-commission-report/

And look!  Our government suppressed the TRUTH for over 20 years!  Deny that, why don&#039;t you?

-- The point is against “HONEST” leadership &amp; “COMPETENT” Chamchay? LOL !

Which we have zero of.  NOT. ONE.  SINGLE.  LEADER.  And If we do get such leaders, they will not be bothered by lame accusations on some stupid vlog on youtube.  So they do not need help of this kind.

-- ARMY, what they are being trained for?

When army cadets become officers, they take an oath: http://www.letsstartthinking.org/Pakistan/law/oath-armed-forces.asp

-- TRAITOR ?

Every single person who violates that oath and acts against the government is a traitor, BY THE DEFINITION IN THE SAME CONSTITUTION THAT THEY TAKE AN OATH TO PROTECT: part 6 at http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/part1.html

Legally, there is no other definition of traitor/treason in Pakistan.  If you think there is one, link to the relevant law.

-- What is ‘Freedom of speech’ ?

Tell you what: why don&#039;t you let me install some spyware on your mobile phone and computer?  It will only trigger when you say something or post something treasonous or visit any website that is treasonous.  Will you let me do that?  Why not?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211; Wikipedia ?? Who owns it and who is the author??</p>
<p>Let me tell you a secret: when someone gives you a link to a wikipedia article, read the article, then verify the contents of the LINKS AT THE BOTTOM TO THE REAL SOURCES.</p>
<p>Wikipedia provides a good summary.  The links are the real material to follow.  Did you see who wrote the links?</p>
<p>Fortunately there DO EXIST Muslims in Pakistan who are willing to investigate and tell the truth.  Example: <a href="http://storyofpakistan.com/the-hamood-ur-rahman-commission-report/" rel="nofollow">http://storyofpakistan.com/the-hamood-ur-rahman-commission-report/</a></p>
<p>And look!  Our government suppressed the TRUTH for over 20 years!  Deny that, why don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>&#8211; The point is against “HONEST” leadership &amp; “COMPETENT” Chamchay? LOL !</p>
<p>Which we have zero of.  NOT. ONE.  SINGLE.  LEADER.  And If we do get such leaders, they will not be bothered by lame accusations on some stupid vlog on youtube.  So they do not need help of this kind.</p>
<p>&#8211; ARMY, what they are being trained for?</p>
<p>When army cadets become officers, they take an oath: <a href="http://www.letsstartthinking.org/Pakistan/law/oath-armed-forces.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.letsstartthinking.org/Pakistan/law/oath-armed-forces.asp</a></p>
<p>&#8211; TRAITOR ?</p>
<p>Every single person who violates that oath and acts against the government is a traitor, BY THE DEFINITION IN THE SAME CONSTITUTION THAT THEY TAKE AN OATH TO PROTECT: part 6 at <a href="http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/part1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/part1.html</a></p>
<p>Legally, there is no other definition of traitor/treason in Pakistan.  If you think there is one, link to the relevant law.</p>
<p>&#8211; What is ‘Freedom of speech’ ?</p>
<p>Tell you what: why don&#8217;t you let me install some spyware on your mobile phone and computer?  It will only trigger when you say something or post something treasonous or visit any website that is treasonous.  Will you let me do that?  Why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Cyko</title>
		<link>http://propakistani.pk/2012/09/03/pakistan-policy-directive-blocking-blasphemous-national-filtration-system/#comment-2379149</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 06:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wikipedia  ?? Who owns it and who is the author??
  
and Seriously, you cant read English? The point is against &quot;HONEST&quot; leadership &amp; &quot;COMPETENT&quot; Chamchay? LOL ! 

Govt: Suna hay &#039;Interned&#039; LATEST technology hay, hamein toh computer aata nai, ab yeh kia goron nay new Science choori hay ?
Chamcha: Sir Geee, Iss say paisey FORAN transfer ho jatay hain ! 

My second point was; Masses can easily be manipulated, in the name of religion, Cast, Race, Ethnicity, and countless other factors. 

 
Due check out the following words.
 ARMY, what they are being trained for?
 TRAITOR ?
How would you translate the word &quot; Saazish&quot; in English ?
and at last What is &#039;Freedom of speech&#039; ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia  ?? Who owns it and who is the author??</p>
<p>and Seriously, you cant read English? The point is against &#8220;HONEST&#8221; leadership &amp; &#8220;COMPETENT&#8221; Chamchay? LOL ! </p>
<p>Govt: Suna hay &#8216;Interned&#8217; LATEST technology hay, hamein toh computer aata nai, ab yeh kia goron nay new Science choori hay ?<br />
Chamcha: Sir Geee, Iss say paisey FORAN transfer ho jatay hain ! </p>
<p>My second point was; Masses can easily be manipulated, in the name of religion, Cast, Race, Ethnicity, and countless other factors. </p>
<p>Due check out the following words.<br />
 ARMY, what they are being trained for?<br />
 TRAITOR ?<br />
How would you translate the word &#8221; Saazish&#8221; in English ?<br />
and at last What is &#8216;Freedom of speech&#8217; ?</p>
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		<title>By: faizan</title>
		<link>http://propakistani.pk/2012/09/03/pakistan-policy-directive-blocking-blasphemous-national-filtration-system/#comment-2379103</link>
		<dc:creator>faizan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 05:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree with this get rid of from all those privacy robbers..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with this get rid of from all those privacy robbers..</p>
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		<title>By: Shahid Saleem</title>
		<link>http://propakistani.pk/2012/09/03/pakistan-policy-directive-blocking-blasphemous-national-filtration-system/#comment-2379082</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahid Saleem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 05:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, they monitor blogs, too.  And they&#039;re following you now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, they monitor blogs, too.  And they&#8217;re following you now.</p>
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		<title>By: Shahid Saleem</title>
		<link>http://propakistani.pk/2012/09/03/pakistan-policy-directive-blocking-blasphemous-national-filtration-system/#comment-2379075</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahid Saleem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 05:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[-- I dont know whats your problem why are you opposing it?

Then you&#039;re not paying attention.  ALL THE EXAMPLES YOU GAVE ABOVE to promote a filtering system WERE IN PLACE in Arab Spring countries AND used against social media.  In Tunisia the government tried to get copies of everyone&#039;s passwords on facebook by injecting javascript into the login page.  FACT.  Eventually all these filtering systems WERE USED AGAINST THE POPULATION.

They were not there to PROTECT the country.
They were not there to PROTECT the people.
They were not there to HIDE BLASPHEMY.

They were all put in place to protect the political elite.  And yes, that includes the military.

IN EVERY CASE.

In Pakistan Facebook and Twitter urls already go through a special filtering system.  Or have you forgotten how just one year ago people were being randomly logged into other people&#039;s accounts?  All because of a misconfigured transparent filtering proxy on PTCL&#039;s end? 

-- Saudi Arabia has web filtering system too consist of two parts 1. “immoral sites” 2. “list of sites made by Interior Ministry” how you see this?

Yes, of course, every country that filters the traffic SAYS they are doing it to protect the citizens from blasphemy or anti-state websites or immoral sites like porn.  So I ask you AGAIN AND AGAIN: why are the filtering systems used instead of protect the political leaders?  Why are the filtering systems used to hide crimes committed by the rich and powerful in those countries?

ONCE AGAIN I DEMAND that you explain why the PTA can censor a public press conference held in Pakistan.  Why can they censor a website about the PTA chairman.  If those sites and videos are spreading lies, then why hasn&#039;t the governemtn moved to block ALL THOSE OTHER SITES AND PAGES ON FACEBOOK that spread lies?  Where is the blasphemy?  Where is the anti-state material?

The only answer: the sites being blocked are telling the truth of some kind, and to protect influential people.

-- I already said GROW UP************************

I am grown up.  The only difference is, my eyes are open.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211; I dont know whats your problem why are you opposing it?</p>
<p>Then you&#8217;re not paying attention.  ALL THE EXAMPLES YOU GAVE ABOVE to promote a filtering system WERE IN PLACE in Arab Spring countries AND used against social media.  In Tunisia the government tried to get copies of everyone&#8217;s passwords on facebook by injecting javascript into the login page.  FACT.  Eventually all these filtering systems WERE USED AGAINST THE POPULATION.</p>
<p>They were not there to PROTECT the country.<br />
They were not there to PROTECT the people.<br />
They were not there to HIDE BLASPHEMY.</p>
<p>They were all put in place to protect the political elite.  And yes, that includes the military.</p>
<p>IN EVERY CASE.</p>
<p>In Pakistan Facebook and Twitter urls already go through a special filtering system.  Or have you forgotten how just one year ago people were being randomly logged into other people&#8217;s accounts?  All because of a misconfigured transparent filtering proxy on PTCL&#8217;s end? </p>
<p>&#8211; Saudi Arabia has web filtering system too consist of two parts 1. “immoral sites” 2. “list of sites made by Interior Ministry” how you see this?</p>
<p>Yes, of course, every country that filters the traffic SAYS they are doing it to protect the citizens from blasphemy or anti-state websites or immoral sites like porn.  So I ask you AGAIN AND AGAIN: why are the filtering systems used instead of protect the political leaders?  Why are the filtering systems used to hide crimes committed by the rich and powerful in those countries?</p>
<p>ONCE AGAIN I DEMAND that you explain why the PTA can censor a public press conference held in Pakistan.  Why can they censor a website about the PTA chairman.  If those sites and videos are spreading lies, then why hasn&#8217;t the governemtn moved to block ALL THOSE OTHER SITES AND PAGES ON FACEBOOK that spread lies?  Where is the blasphemy?  Where is the anti-state material?</p>
<p>The only answer: the sites being blocked are telling the truth of some kind, and to protect influential people.</p>
<p>&#8211; I already said GROW UP************************</p>
<p>I am grown up.  The only difference is, my eyes are open.</p>
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		<title>By: Shahid Saleem</title>
		<link>http://propakistani.pk/2012/09/03/pakistan-policy-directive-blocking-blasphemous-national-filtration-system/#comment-2378991</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahid Saleem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 04:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure: Let&#039;s start with our own: Pakistan in 1970-1971.  You don&#039;t think the war happened just overnight and with no events before it, do you?  (Or maybe you do.)  Would you care to give us the count how many Eastern Pakistani educated people were killed by our Army and those facts hidden from us until after the war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_killing_of_Bengali_intellectuals

Who was criticising then?  who was the traitor?  The people killed, or the killers?

Oh, remember what topic we are talking about: PTA blocking with a national filtration system.  And in the last month, the PTA has blocked websites criticising the new PTA chairman, and the videos about the press conference about the PTV chairman.  NO BLASPHEMY ONLY HIGH LEVEL POLITICIANS ARE BEING PROTECTED.

Today, we have Balochistan.  I am sorry to say this but every time I hear people say that America will be broken into pieces in our lifetime and other nonsense, I think of how close we are to losing Balochistan.  Do you have any idea how FEW ordinary people in Balochistan (outside urban areas) even want to be Pakistani now?  Of course not - the government is hiding the facts.  If they post stuff online, the government (PTA) blocks the sites.  Does any of this help us SOLVE the problem?  Not at all.  Just send a few army brigades there to &quot;pacify&quot; the agitated people, that&#039;s WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAY.

There was no internet in 1970, but there was government-ordered censorship of the media in 1970 and 1971, too.  Many people in West Pakistan did not know what was going on in East Pakistan.  I have relatives who got jobs to go to East Pakistan in 1971 and they were clueless about the situation.  Two weeks after they arrived in Dhaka, the war came.

They ended up spending two years in POW camps.  It could have been worse.  They could have been killed.  But they are just mentally affected.  The filtering system did not help us in 1971, and it is not going to help us today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure: Let&#8217;s start with our own: Pakistan in 1970-1971.  You don&#8217;t think the war happened just overnight and with no events before it, do you?  (Or maybe you do.)  Would you care to give us the count how many Eastern Pakistani educated people were killed by our Army and those facts hidden from us until after the war?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_killing_of_Bengali_intellectuals" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_killing_of_Bengali_intellectuals</a></p>
<p>Who was criticising then?  who was the traitor?  The people killed, or the killers?</p>
<p>Oh, remember what topic we are talking about: PTA blocking with a national filtration system.  And in the last month, the PTA has blocked websites criticising the new PTA chairman, and the videos about the press conference about the PTV chairman.  NO BLASPHEMY ONLY HIGH LEVEL POLITICIANS ARE BEING PROTECTED.</p>
<p>Today, we have Balochistan.  I am sorry to say this but every time I hear people say that America will be broken into pieces in our lifetime and other nonsense, I think of how close we are to losing Balochistan.  Do you have any idea how FEW ordinary people in Balochistan (outside urban areas) even want to be Pakistani now?  Of course not &#8211; the government is hiding the facts.  If they post stuff online, the government (PTA) blocks the sites.  Does any of this help us SOLVE the problem?  Not at all.  Just send a few army brigades there to &#8220;pacify&#8221; the agitated people, that&#8217;s WHAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAY.</p>
<p>There was no internet in 1970, but there was government-ordered censorship of the media in 1970 and 1971, too.  Many people in West Pakistan did not know what was going on in East Pakistan.  I have relatives who got jobs to go to East Pakistan in 1971 and they were clueless about the situation.  Two weeks after they arrived in Dhaka, the war came.</p>
<p>They ended up spending two years in POW camps.  It could have been worse.  They could have been killed.  But they are just mentally affected.  The filtering system did not help us in 1971, and it is not going to help us today.</p>
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