Pakistan Today has reported that Lahore High Court Justice Sh Azmat Saeed yesterday ordered ministry of telecom and information technology to block Facebook in Pakistan for spreading religious hatred on internet.
This news is not being covered by any other media outlet so far (which is strange and hence isn’t that convincing) plus we don’t have any official confirmation from ministry of information technology or from PTA as of now.
According to Pakistan Today, during hearing a petition requesting a permanent ban on Facebook for hosting competition featuring blasphemous caricatures, LHC ordered the government to make sure that Facebook is blocked in Pakistan and to submit a compliance report by October 6, 2011.
The judge, however, made it clear that no search engine including Google would be blocked, reported the paper.
It maybe recalled that Facebook got banned in Pakistan last year for hosting Draw Mohammad Day and for not removing blasphemous pages from it’s server.
This fresh petition in LHC is filed by Muhammad & Ahmad, a public interest litigation firm, through chairman Muhammad Azhar Siddique advocate praying for a permanent ban on access to Facebook for hosting a fresh blasphemous caricature drawing contest world over under a title “2nd Annual Draw Muhammad Day on May 20, 2011″.
Facebook is a social network and users from around the world are free to post anything, however, it content is moderated based on Facebook terms which state:
You will not post content that: is hateful, threatening, or pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence.
Facebook became controversial and was condemned for not removing Draw Mohammad Day page from it’s server despite it was reported (as abuse) by hundreds of thousands of Muslim users. While on other hands Facebook tends to remove any anti-Jews or Anti-Israel page in only few minutes.
Update:
We just got confirmation from PTA officials that they have not received any such order, at least as of now, for Facebook blockade.
Update 2:
At least three ministry of telecom and information technology officials have confirmed us that ministry hasn’t received any order from Lahore High Court regarding facebook ban.
Update 3:
Rabia Mehmood, a reporter for Express 24/7 claims to have spoken with Azhar Siddique – the guy who has filed the petition – and he says that LHC has ordered to ban only specific URLs/fan pages that contain blasphemous content and not the whole Facebook.
This marks another story of Pakistan Today bouncing badly.
Good order at least:)
Good to hear it. I am not very religious minded, but at least I was not convinced when Facebook became firm to resist Muslim voice around the globe.
It was clearly causing violence and thus breaking its terms of use and yet Facebook did not listen.
Ban it permanently. We don`t care…
So don’t go to it. Why stop anyone else from going to it? Over 99.99999% of the content on Facebook is not anti-Muslim. If 0.00001% of the content of a site makes it worthy of a ban, then really, turn off your computer because even news sites or news collectors like news.google.com have more than that anti-Muslim content.
Or should they be banned?
Everybody has some priorities, I think Facebook could stop that pre-announced event but they did’nt. We as a Muslim should have top most priority of protecting Pride of our beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla la oh Elhe Wasalam.
Still i think decision is too late it should be straight away. Other Muslim countries should also do this.
For future i may suggest it as a preemptive measure that if something is announced like that should be banned in advance.
— We as a Muslim should have top most priority of protecting Pride of our beloved Prophet Muhammad Salla la oh Elhe Wasalam.
Actually last I checked, our first priority is to follow Islam. We cannot break an Islamic law to enforce another Islamic priority, can we? No.
But have u ever heard that only a single word can make you non-muslim / mushrik, say Touba & oppose all anti islam activities. set with an AALIM & ask for all above.
Shame on you shahid, Lets think about it with a different angle if i post your ______ porn pic facebook and if you have any issue then you should not visit facebook but we will not stop the lucky draw.
Think about it
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Sir, you are not thinking your argument properly. If you post my picture on Facebook, won’t I want to report the picture? Can I do that by leaving Facebook?
That only lets you continue posting without my objections.
If you want to object to content that is on Facebook, you HAVE to be ON facebook to do that.
@Shahid Saleem: You are getting back to where we started from, the point is that they are not removing the picture… then what?
then we make pages which counter them. We make pages which explain Our prophet’s seerah (peace be upon him). We show the world how such a lovable personality is being misrepresented by misguided. We try to get more people to follow us than them. We try and understand who are our friends and enemies.
What we DONT do is run away and leave the ground to enemy. We exist to defend our religion and to protect our Prophet’s name, in each arena. We do not run away from this responsibility by simply blocking the thing.
I keep coming back to this basic point because it is so OBVIOUS that I cannot understand why it’s difficult for people. To date NO ONE I have asked this question can give me a straight answer.
1. If you stay, you can change things.
2. If you leave, you are removed from equation, your voice is silenced.
What do you want to do?
You say you tried and you failed to do anything? Okay. No one guaranteed you success. No one said life would be easy or fair. Doesn’t Allah say he will test us?
Do you even remember that hadeeth on what you should do when you see evil?
“Whosoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart; and that is the weakest of faith.”
I want to use my “tongue”. Don’t work with the people who will silence me.
Why Prophet Mohammad (P.B.U.H) migrated to Madinah?
If you know your history, you know the answer: he was invited by the tribes there. The Arab and Jewish tribes were arguing with themselves and needlessly killing each other there and they thought he could help lead them out of their problem.
Just before that our Prophet’s uncle died and without his support things got really really bad for Muslims. Far worse than they were before.
But at no point BEFORE or AFTER hijrah did our Prophet stop reaching out to non-Muslims.
SHAHID saleem demaagh ki dahi hai.
Because there was no solution available and there was a risk of life. There is no risk of life in staying and fighting here.
Please understand that by blocking facebook we are simply retreating and proving those wrong who call our religion outdated and us the cave men. by staying and fighting with logic, we are proving them wrong.
Again, during last cartoon controversy the strongest logical fight back came from pakistan. Silencing that will be very unwise.
A.A.
Mr. Shahid,,,
1) The Muslims migrated from india for Islam & Peace only !!!!!!!!
2) Why your parents & others Muslims didn’t stayed in india to follow Islam there ????
& to face Non.Muslim???
if a thing is wrong, it’s wrong !!!! simply !!!
why you so much attached with facebook???
Leave it, if a person not listening you, he’ll not listen you ever & forever !!!
because he is trained to do that…!!!
Think about it !!!,
— 1) The Muslims migrated from india for Islam & Peace only !!!!!!!!
But not all migrated. Why?
— 2) Why your parents & others Muslims didn’t stayed in india to follow Islam there ????
They were all born on this side of the border before Partition.
— if a thing is wrong, it’s wrong !!!! simply !!!
No one is saying the events or pictures aren’t wrong. Please pay attention.
— why you so much attached with facebook???
Why are you so against facebook???
— Leave it, if a person not listening you, he’ll not listen you ever & forever !!!
because he is trained to do that…!!!
Lots of non-Muslims read what I post, even when I post about religion. That is sufficient for me to stay. You don’t want to preach, okay, leave. Don’t stop me.
mr. admin …. if they r not removing pictures ..then u must ban or finish the world coz they r also in world … must stop breathing coz they r also breathing in this air …. dont be illitrate bro … i know one thing that if some thing is wrong with one of ur body part then u shouldnt cut ur throat and finish ur life …. u have to repair it and have to do treatment ….. there are also many sites and many pages who r posting hadits and many more islamic info ….. judge just said that mean u can say that in punjabi “ohnay chawl mari aa” ..and now drinker and raper will decide that whts better for us ?even they done know who is sleeeping hungry in their streets ….. ALLAH hamen aik practical insan ban’nay ki taufeeq de ,sirf kitabi keerra ban’nay ki nai …;-)
salaaams to all…. wah wah shahid saleeem bhai ..chha gaye o tusi …. agreed bro
ws
LHC took a good decision !
it seems that mr. shahid saleem is owner of fb,, cann’t live without fb…..
fb should be the goal of Muslim,,,,!
Islam should the 1st prefernce of Muslims
nothing else e.g. fb……
any1 can clearly c that fb is used against Islam !
1) anti-jews pages were removed within few mintues !!!
2) while anti-Islam pages or posts are not removed on reporting thousands of hunderds of Muslims !!!!
raising the slogan of equality & freedom to say anything & promoting PEACE, are big , bigger & the biggest cause for voilation & for separating hate specailly for Muslims !!!! ONLY
3)they protect their country by attacking on other country !!!
4) they save animals but kill human beings !!!
5) they consider themselves at right only !!! others at fault !!!!
6) they attack other country resources for just saying to kill terrorist !!!
7) in fact,,, they are biggest terrorists ever & forever !!!!
8)they deceive other and it is their aim & hobby !!!
9) they only make ppl to listen but listen to any1!!!!
10) if sm1 talks against them, they call him rebels, illeterate , terrorists etc……
that’s their positive thinking ???
— it seems that mr. shahid saleem is owner of fb,, cann’t live without fb…..
Any time you feel like attacking ME instead of the idea i present, it’s a failure on YOUR part. It also shows the gap between you and me.
— fb should be the goal of Muslim,,,,!
It’s a GOAL! Are you not paying attention??? What do you say to all the famous Islamic scholars who preach on Facebook? Do they convert non-Muslims to Islam? YES and they do it for FREE. No need to pay for publishing books or web hosting or anything like that. THEY JUST POST AND REACH PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN ISLAM.
No other platform gives you that.
— 1) anti-jews pages were removed within few mintues !!!
Anti-Jew is not Anti-Zionist.
— raising the slogan of equality & freedom to say anything & promoting PEACE
Facebook has no slogan like that.
— 3)they protect their country by attacking on other country !!!
You are confused, facebook is not a country. Facebook does not represent any country. Also no country represents facebook.
— 4) they save animals but kill human beings !!!
Well, we kill both. Are we better?
— 5) they consider themselves at right only !!! others at fault !!!!
Same could be said of you!!!
shame on you
Shame on u nt him..
Shame on LHC!
sharm tmha aani chahiya
Shame on you!
shame on you ! you are blaming the only institute which is doing something marvelous. Zionist Facebook must be band permanently in Pakistan !!
Shame on Facebook, which is truely contributing in spreading hatered, but spreading violent material. Even when we report any objectional page, it is never removed by Facebook. Glad to hear this out, and atleast the Jury seemed mature enough to atleast deliver the message to the world that still some of us are not too dead and shameless.
Good decision. (the moral of this deicision is to Deliver a message to world and Facebook, that it is really very very important to Control any wrong/abusive language against Islam). Just like they block/disable ID’s who write against holocaust.
Facebook is very very biased and works in favor of Jewish community.
I don’t know why facebook continusly making haters. But Judge ordered to ban. Without confirming from others and in the other hand pta and ministry of internet is not blocking facebook. Really i can’t say anything about it.
I think we should turn off the whole internet it is full of evils, we have lost touch with our moral values because of the Internet.
Television is another area we need to curb, all we get on Television is sex and violence. Even the news channels are designed to make you think in a different way.
And please don’t get me started on music, rappers disrespecting our women
— rappers disrespecting our women
Will you also ban policemen, zamindars, etc? Because many of them don’t respect our women either.
shahid
y u take in favour of every evil?
Not every thing in internet is about sex and violence.There other things in internet also such as sports,yahoo,skype etc.Because of them we can talk to our loved ones easily.So that is why you should be ashamed of yourself for saying that.
ya its very helpful to talk to our loved onez but now these dayz free people mostly boyz using the internet badly so thats y internet looking like a shit but its not internet fault its our fault bcz we r uzing it bad way…………
as far as my Info is concerned, the Decision will be announced on 6th of October, It was a News Strip on GEO News yesterday, That’s why no other media network has took this news on their pages..
Great!
@Halal lakh lannat beghairata …..go get a life u stupid ….. Tu samny hota tu main tera dimagh drust kr deta
Shame on LHC. Quick decisions on softer issues. Can they explain why they are not taking a decision on Mumtaz Qadri’s case when 20 people have witnessed his crime and he has also confesses on multiple occasions. Why not send him quick to the place he always desired. But no, that’s difficult as it would mean backlash from lunatic pseudo religious elements. Down with our ‘free’ judiciary.
Shame on you if you are a Muslim
@Whome you are absolutely right and i agree with you … thats not the way … we have to face the others .. and being a Muslim we should have the enough knowledge so that we can answer their questions and remove their misconceptions … i dont know why we are soooo much emotional ? If any one condemn this act we say”shame on you” ….. this is 2011 … we have to communicate with the world .. blocking the social networking site will not benefit us but ll be lest alone …. tell me has KSA blocked Fb ? No … because they are not the emotional fools like .. this is the reason why we are a failed nation because we always get emotion .. first LHC should give punishments to the terrorist … culprit and the corrupt people then should think about such soft issues ! … we should remove their (No-Muslims) misunderstandings …. cuz that is what non muslims want that we may get separated from every social thing !
Its wrong to compare two different decision.
Court decide according to the law. No doubt judicial system is very slow in our country, not only in Mumtaz qadri case but also in other cases too.
But best thing about this decision is, the decision was not taken on the basis of popularity… Thats why Good Job Court.
I read court decision. It is full of falsehoods. For example it says Saudi Arabia banned Facebook. NOT TRUE. It says UAE banned Facebook. NOT TRUE.
You know who DID ban facebook? China. Egypt. Syria. Libya. Tunisia.
We all know why: nothing to do with religion, 100% to do with CONTROLLING how their population can fight dictatorships.
oh! Realy blocking facebook will solve the problem. I must say someone who thinks to block facebook then he is stupit. We Pakistani cannot do anything just to block like stupit PEMRA did last year, in addition to that if there will be on facebook then what will young generation do. Please don’t let this happen. We must fight for this, through sms, posters and other social networking site. Religion is religion and enjoyment is facebook. Old generation cannot stop Facebook. We must fight for this!
Zafar I think you are not a Muslim . Is Islam only for Enjoyment?
Hasib if you ask if someone is not a Muslim based on a comment here, I think you have already decided in your mind if he is or isn’t. Am I correct?
Your method is just a roundabout way to takfeer someone. You can always defend yourself by saying “I was merely asking” but you made it clear that only YOUR opinion is a Muslim one and his opinion is not same as yours so obviously not a Muslim one.
shahid, pinky,, zafar,,, u answer, if u can !!!
LET:
if your is sm1 in your relative is to be hanged for killing sm1 else,,,,,
then can u save him by just saying that,
“” 1st court decide mumtaz qadri case & other cases “”, then hang my relative ,,, although your relative is a killer !!!!
Please,,, if court takes sm gd decisions,,,
Let court to do that !!!!
Islam should be your 1st preference,,,
otherwise, it may happen for u to b in a category of non-muslim !!!
Please think about it…..
i think you are also not a muslim because anybody use internet is not a muslim. Am i right!
listen young generation, spread your voice to All Pakistanis that bluddy hel people should stop this. Last year bluddy PEMRA block indian channels and now facebook for going to dogs. Please stop this and get a life man. Please people spread your voice through sms or using other media. Facebook is the heart of internet and if facebook is on longer is available so what is the use of internet.(apni awas auatio facebook ko support karo.)
There are plenty of other Social Networks… Use them. All together switch to Google+ or Twitter, or at least make your own blog and get connected.
Facebook ko hum logo ne internet ka dill banadia hai, to hum he ab esy q na chordein.
Apni awaz uthao aur LHC ka saath do.
Get a life man!
I am with LHC. Dear Arif i support you.
hahahaa…Some “bludy” wannabe trying to sound cool. Just hatched out of an egg, and headed straight to propakistani.
Facebook heart of internet…Oh really? How “stupit” :D
Do you any other site with rankings like this?
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/facebook.com
That’s what makes it the “heart” of the internet.
Socail networks depend on number of users. But if muslims shift to other site, no doubt this ranking will go away.
But I think to give a little sacrifice for your religion, will not effect anybody.
If you think moving to a different site will stop people from posting against Islam, you are dreaming.
@Shahid Perhaps People Will not Stop from posting Anti-Islamic things but Atleast facebook will consider to remove the such pages which are hurting the feeling of Muslims and Disrespectiong The Most Noble Personality(after God). When Muslims will stop using causing lower revenues .
U said in above comment that
So don’t go.. . . . . . . . . .anti-Muslim content
I ask, if Some one Posts Disrespectfull Picture of Ur dad on Facebook and u report that pic and ask fb to remove it and they reply that if “this pic hurt u don’t watch it” Wud u be satisfied . Oviusly not thats Why ur argument can’t satisfy anyone who love Prophet P.B.U.H more then u love ur dad .
and as for as the comparison of facebook with other sites is concerned so let me tell no Other site have double standards regarding their Policy that if sumthing anti Jewis(Especially Pro-Hitler/nazi) is posted its removed within minutes but when it comes to Anti-Islamic Material it isn’t removed even after millions of Muslim reporting it as abuse . Did any anti-Islamic content on any other site was reported this much or even 1/10th tyms then this and was not removed ? if yes tell me .
Are you **forced** to look at any anti-Islam articles or anything against our Prophet on the internet every time you turn your computer on? No. It’s the same with Facebook: the things you don’t like are there, but no one forces you to look at them. So, don’t look at them.
If you seriously want to leave Facebook because of the content on it, then I ask you, why are you even on the internet? What is on Facebook against our faith is a small quantity of what is on the internet as a whole yet you don’t give up the internet.
Lastly, PLEASE PAY ATTENTION. Facebook already said last year that they will work to keep such content from our eyes. If they are failing at that, report them. But they have ALREADY ADMITTED that they want to help.
everything has a limit,
if it’ll cross its limits,
smday it would have to b crashed !!!!
Because fb is mortal…..
Islam is imortal !!!
shahid , plz change your thinking
— shahid , plz change your thinking
I am not your enemy simply because I prefer to PREACH Islam instead of SHUTTING OUT non-Muslims.
You are a Muslim today because Arabs decied to PREACH to your ancestors instead of shutting them out or killing them. So why do you not want others to become Muslims?
lol…I agree facebook can’t be heart of internet…it is just a time pass for people who don’t have anything else to do on the net….lol…I have not seen any meaningful and creative activity on facebook by people…maybe there is..if any plz let me know…
Potential Opportunity for Google+
LHC is Admirable…!
I have already switched to Google+
@zafar …why should we do this ….cant you live without facebook …whatever your answer be …i cant compromize on our Holy prophits dignity …zafar sorry to say am affraid you are not a muslim …intertainment and spreading haters is a totally different things …you have many other options like g+etc … .. Where you are going …manna k aur buht burri batein hain ham main …but for God sake dont say you prefer fb on your Holy prophet
Sir you are not looking at the long picture. They ban Facebook, but why? If Facebook is spreading anti-Islam, then will banning it stop them? No. So what’s the purpose?
Okay, you say use G+. Later on, when G+ is famous, someone will want to ban G+ for the same reason. It’s is NOT POSSIBLE or NOT THE JOB OF Google to keep 100% anti-Islam content off G+. So when they ban G+, what will you ask us to do then? Go to Orkut (already has such stuff)? Livejournal (same problem)? Dreamwidth (same problem)? Blogger (probably will also get banned), Youtube (same problem)?
Where do we go?
In all these cases, banning the sites will not make them remove anything. So who are you helping and who are you hurting?
@shahid listen that facebook is the best social networking site and if t don’t want to use facebook the don’t go on facebook but we should leave small thinking “choti choh”. this is the modern time and i think you are from old generation.
Sir please learn to read carefully. I am NOT IN FAVOUR of banning facebook.
Oh sorry, ha ha you were replying to other shahid.
it means,,,, u want fb
not islam….!!!
salam to your thinking
“choti choh”
You are funny. Arent ya?
Good step LHC i am Happy to see this
It is a good incentive o ban Facebook permanently from Pakistan
If LHC to do so i am proud on LHC
The person who uses Face book is not said to be “Muslim”.Because Our Holy Prophet Hazrat Mohammad (s.a.w) dignity is first step to live in Islam
You are going around questioning if Muslims are really Muslims. Is that the first step too???
Shame on All the Muslims who are Defending Facebook
Hasib, why are you such a chay?
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this is why i dont use facebook.
guys u should also boycott facebook instead of appreciating LHC.
Hey, where can I file a petition to ban LHC because of all the bribed judges and bribed clerks who change court dates when given money? I mean that action is unIslamic, so ban ban ban!
@shahid saleem tu khud bhi tu sheetan si bribe leta hai gunah ki shakal main ,jab hi tu facebook ki himayat kar raha hai.propakistani plzz ban shahid saleem .shahid saleem is 100% certified _________.
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Feel free to repeat that on day of judgement. No admin will censor you then.
main ney gali nahi di thi ghairat se phelay “bay” lagaya tha,q k tum is hi qabil ho,aur kiamat k din tum sarey judges pe jo bribr lena ka ilzam laga rahay ho us ka bhi jawab dena.
@ Shahid Saleem bro there is a difference in Un-Islamic And Anti-Islamic we all do sins that are un-Islamic Even the Auliya Allah And Sahaba did Sins but that NAUZUBILLAH dont makes them non-Muslim or Anti-Muslim . But when Some One delibrately talk against Islam/Allah/Prohet(S.A.W.W.) or disrespects them, Then This is a Totaly diff thing .
There are over 700 million Facebook users. How many of them do you think speak against our faith? 600 million? 500 m? 20 m? 1 m? 50,000?
Percentagewise, there are more people who commit violent crimes in Karachi than there are anti-Muslim posters on Facebook. Have you banned Karachi yet :):):)
You are throwing theories and comparing two different things with different scenarios
Karachi is willing to remove those culprits from it’s boundary, while facebook said it won’t remove it’s culprits (hatred spreaders)
yes, u right
admin
Thats great decision by LHC, decisions like this
should be taken as early as violated.
Can someone tell me why government tries to ban URLs on media sharing sites like Youtube, but people always want to ban Facebook? Why not ban URLs on Facebook?
If you want to punish Facebook for their content, why don’t you want to punish Youtube? I GUARANTEE there is more unIslamic content on Youtube than Facebook.
@shahid Tell us was is the solution???
But keep in mind that we can not compromise on (Hurmat-e-Rasool) Mohammad (PBUH)
— Tell us was is the solution???
Everyone knows where the whores are in the city you live in, but you don’t go there, do you?? And neither do you BAN everyone from visiting THE ENTIRE CITY because of one neighbourhood do you? So, follow same rules: simply don’t go to such pages. Problem solved.
— But keep in mind that we can not compromise on (Hurmat-e-Rasool) Mohammad (PBUH)
You are very funny. Look at http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/timeline/index.html
Except for drone attacks (which thanks to wikipedia we know are allowed by MUSLIMS IN OUR ARMY AND GOVERNMENT), almost 100% of those attacks on that page are BY MUSLIMS AGAINST MUSLIMS
We compromise ALL THE TIME when it comes to condemning these people or stopping them, but you say we cannot compromise for Facebook?! How many Muslims did Facebook kill in 2011 in Pakistan in the name of Islam???
We have already compromised ourselves, through and through.
What a solution Close your eyes then Problem Solve… very very funny……This is not a Solution
This is a time of solution not criticism
— What a solution Close your eyes then Problem Solve… very very funny
Please please PLEASE think before you post. When you ban Facebook, do you solve the problem? Or close your own eyes?! BANNING does not force them to change. Pakistanis are only 2% of Facebook population. They will say good riddance to us and move on.
solution: convert this challenge into opportunity to spread your religion. Facebook, G+, Youtube all are modern weapons, tool and platforms just manipulate and utilize them in favour of islam n prophet(s) :) Banning or blocking will never help. No need to go emotional, stay cool n let your mind work, it’ll offer you a solution then. moreover, please stop blackmailing muslims in the name of Allah, religion and messenger(as)
Agreed. But why is this thinking in the minority?
shahid,,,, u answer, if u can !!!
LET:
if your is sm1 in your relative is to be hanged for killing sm1 else,,,,,
then can u save him by just saying that,
“” 1st court decide mumtaz qadri case & other cases “”, then hang my relative ,,, although your relative is a killer !!!!
Please,,, if court takes sm gd decisions,,,
Let court to do that !!!!
Islam should be your 1st preference,,,
otherwise, it may happen for u to b in a category of non-muslim !!!
Please think about it….
–Please think about it….
I am a little too intelligent to think like that. Actions are independent. If someone steals water from my farm that does not mean I can steal a tractor from his farm. They are both wrong actions and two wrongs do not make a right.
WHY CANNOT YOU SEE THAT?
Shukar haye kisi naye yeh nahi kaha kaye Google naye LHC ko hareeed liya to promote Google +…
GEO LHC.. !!
Such verdict will greatly help G+ to gain advantage over facebook in Pakistan :p
i hv another idea.for techy guyz out there.y just ban facebook?y not max Pakistani users do a DDOS on facebook?
just floated an idea..hw abt it..comment on
Im in!
What a dumb idea. You think other organizations, countries, hacker groups etc haven’t already tried that?? Never worked.
A web site that can handle 700+ million people has lots of servers and lots of data centers and is created in a way that you cannot DDOS it.
Agree With Shahid Saleem here .
you people if u are a true muslim then don’t use internet. Ban facebook will not solve the problem. Get a life man. And be a modern. We are living in 21st century.
Asalamoalikum,
Well, i have read all above posts and feeling ashamed, listen people i am Alhamdulliah muslim but on the other hand i am also a big time supporter for technology, let me conclude and tell you guys kay basically ghalti kis ke hai, listen guys koi b technology ya cheez kabhi achi ya buri nahi hoti us ka istamal us ko acha ya bura banata hai, i remeber kay jab vcr aya tha tu log kehtay thay yeh ek shaytani cheez hai it totally depend kay hum us ka istamal kaisay kertay hai,
ab thori c baat is facebook or is say related issue pay kerta chalo, dekho doston, ap sab jaantay hongay kay google, yahoo ya or bari companies kay relational office mojod hotay hai jo kay us country mai reh ker us country ko pormote kertay hai, local office ka sab say bara faida yeh hota hai kay us company ka local office us country ke govt kay under hota hai usay us country kay rules ko follow kerna parta hai, ap log khud dekho kay india mai takreeban tamam bari IT related companies kay offices hai or ab tu facebook nay b apna office hyderabad mai shro ker dia hain, tu meray dosto bajaye kay hum kisi dosron ko kehnay sun nay mai wakt zaya keray is say behter yeh hoga kay hum apni GOVT per zor day kay wo aisi tamam companies ko pakistan mai apna office kholnay ka paband banaye. ab yakeenan yeha meray kuch doston kay zehano mai yeh baat b aarahi hogi kay koi company yeh apna office kyo banaye ge, na tu yeha koi security hai or is kay elawa or b dosray kafi maslay hai, but doston ap ye b tu dekho kay aisi or kiti companies hai jo multi national hai or pakistan mai kaam ker rahi hai bht sari fast foods hai banks hai telecom companies hai, tu kyo yahoo, google, facebook ya or koi dosri company pakistan aaker kaam kernay ko tayaar nahi hai ? yeh ek sawal hai jis ka jawab mai ap logo per chor deta hon, umeed hai ap log zaror is baray mai sochay gay or likhay gay,
jaatay jaatay LHC kay order kay baray mai baat kerta chalon, dekho bhaiyon being a muslim ( i know hum mai say koi b yeha 100% muslman nahi hai meray samait)facebook per agar koi apkay pyara NABI PAK (SAWW) ke shaan mai gustakhi keray ga tu yakeenan agar humaray dilon mai zara c b emaan ke ramaq baki hogi tu yakeenan us ko bayhad takleef hogi, dosri teraf ap dekho kay jews kay liye ban nay wala pages ko foran khatam kerdia jata hai, well i think yeha per zaror facebook jawab day, kay muslims kay sath zyaati kyo, ek or cheez yeha share kerta chalon kay duniya mai takreeban bari IT related firms kay malik jews hai, mujhay kisi kay jew muslim hindu honay say masala nahi hai, mera point of view tu bas yeh kay sab kay sath ek jaisa salook kerna chahiye hai or meray mutabik yeh usi wakt mumkin ho sakay ga jab aisi companies kay local offices Humaray apnay PAKISTAN mai hongay, jis say kya faiday hongay ap sab jantay hai,
1- JOBS
2- Every Content of that particular website will under control of GOVT, so there will be no chance left for these kind stupidities,
3- They have to abide our country’s rules and regulation.
4- Pakistan will be rise as a new IT power.
yeh sab kuch mai likha hai meri zati rai hai so he insan is say ekhtalaf ka haq mehfoz rakhta hai.
ap logo kay waqt ka shukriya,
agar kisi kisam ke kotahi hoi ho likhnay mai ya kisi ke dil aazari hoi ho tu mai maafi ka talbgar ho.
Ap he terha Ek aam sa pakistani jo pakistan kay tarki kay liye kosha hai,
Allah apko sabko apnay hifz o emaan mai rakhay
ALLAH HAFIZ
Nukhaiz, we had an interesting discussion over the issue here: https://propakistani.pk/2011/06/30/tech-giants-and-discrimination-against-pakistan/
Asalamoalikum Aamir bhai,
Bohat shukriya ap ka bhai, mai yakeenan koshish kero ga kay ap kay diye gaye link ko parho or us per apni raai likho,
Regards
You think after reading all these comments anyone in Facebook will open an office in Pakistan??? They will be bombed BEFORE their office is even opened!
— Every Content of that particular website will under control of GOVT, so there will be no chance left for these kind stupidities,
Should the content of blogs be under Government control too?? Do you want some person in ISI monitoring your comments, your blog posts, making sure you are 100%?
Shaid bahi,
ap kay baat apni jaga durusat hai mager yeh bhi tu dekhay kay her ek website kay 500 million users nahi hotay, (now a days facebook is reaching more than 500 million users) ab ap kud batao uski baat ko he ziyada exposure milay ga na kay ek simple blog ya website ko ( majority is authority ), mera kehnay ka maqsad srif yeh hai kay facebook ko apni na ehli per ghor kerna chahiye hai, jis say ap sab log ittefaq kertay hai, dosra yeh kay koi tu aisi authority ho jo is cheez ka check and balance rakhay kay kisi b website per aisa content jari na ho jis say kisi mazhab kisi koom ya kisi fard ko takleef pohnchay, waisay b yeh ek ekhlaki cheez hai kay ap apnay sath rehanay wali dosray mazhab kay logo ka khayal rakhay or mera khayal hai kay her mazhab yehi baat kehta hai, phir mark zukerberg ho ya koi or company ka ceo her ek ko apni company or us say related website, her ek ko is cheez ka paband banana chahiye kay ekhlakiyaat ka khayal rakha jaye.
Please look at the examples of Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Yemen. Now ask yourself: would those governments also want Facebook, Google, etc to have local offices? And for what purpose? Yes, to CONTROL content on their sites.
What you ask for can be misused the next time there is a government change or (God forbid) coup.
On a related note, don’t all the lawyers and judges remember that Facebook HELPED them restore judiciary just three, four years ago? Without Facebook to help organize…
So there is like you said good and bad, but to ban 100% for 0.00001% per cent content is just stupid.
Shahid bhai,
first of all i am living in pakistan so mai us kay mutalik he baat kero ga kisi or mulak kay sath na tu humaray jaisay issues hai so isliye i will continue with my own country,
baat srif yeh hai kay kal tak ap chotay thay ab baray hogaye hai mashallah i dont what is your age by the way, but let me tell you something ap kabhi b nahi chahye gay kal ko apkay bachay porn website dekhay ya koi b aisa content dekhay jis say un kay zehno per ghalat asaar paray, ap nay content control ke baat ke tu mai IT ke field say pechlay 10 sal say wabasta ho or challenge ker kay yeh baat keh sakta ho this is possible to ban any irritating content of any specific website, meray khayal say ap nay meri pehli post ko sahi say parha nahi mai nay yehi kaha hai kay koi b tehnology achi ya buri nahi uska istamal usay acha ya bura bnata hai, mind na kiyjay ga ap ko mai yeha aisay kai baray mahayreen ke raai day sakta ho jin mai say koi b pakistani ya musalmaan nahi hai wo yeh kehtay hai kay facebook is going to ruin student life, mai is baat say 100 % itefaaq nahi kerta, mera yeha b point of view wohi hai kay cheez kay istamal pay depen kerta hai or dosra hum pakistani kisi b dosri qoum say ziyada facebook kay addicted ho chukay hai isliye chorna tu door thora kam istamal magar ek akelaki diaray mai rehtay hoye istamal per b humay takleef ka samna hai,
jaha tak ap nay judges restoration case ke baat ke ek baat ap ko batata chalo yeha apkay point of view say mujhay ektilaaf hai coz ap un logo ko bhool gaye hai jinho nay roads per nikal ker hukmati asar o rasokh ka samna kiya, danday khaye, galiyaan suni,,, ap jis maslay ko facebook ka 0.00001% hisa kehtay hai mai isi terah facebook per judges ke restoration ko 0.00001% kehta ho, bcoz majority un logo ke thi jo sarko per thay na facebook per chali janay wali mohim ke, haan zaror ho sakta hai us facebook ke mohim ka 0.1% faida b hoa ho per as i said before kay majority is authrity in this case,
waisay ager ap ke nazar mai is facebook walay maslay ka koi hal hai tu zaror likhye, takay dosray parnay walay b ap ke raai jaan sakay or apni raai day sakay, koshish keray kay maslay ko suljhaye na tankeed baraye tankeed kernay kay,
Regards
I want to fight off those who are maligning my religion, not run away and hide from them. I want to know what US people think of my religion first hand, not through VOA transmission on GEO.
if we block facebook, we take away right of 180 million muslims to defend their faith on the worlds largest website. wrong way.
+1 1 million times! I have been saying this since the cartoon controversy started almost seven years ago, but no one listens.
Dude! Islam taught us to be patient and respect others thoughts and that is why I am asking all of you
“If facebook does not stop such blasphemic contents over the voice of hundreds of thousands Muslims and on the contrary deletes every single page in the condemnation of Israeli capture on Palestine and Jews; Don’t you think its biased and racism?”
I do believe its hard to quit facebook as we have got so many friends and contents over it. But give yourself a bit space, sit back, think of what is right what is wrong. There is nothing more Important than our beloved Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W).
I also agree to the people who are saying that there is so many bad things happening all around the world then why should we ban facebook. My question is
“Does that make it right to do wrong deeds if everybody is doing it?”
Please think, I will be more than happy to see Facebook taking an action over the content against the religious rights of Muslims instead of being banned in Pakistan.
Won’t you all want that? Just think over it.
— Please think, I will be more than happy to see Facebook taking an action over the content against the religious rights of Muslims instead of being banned in Pakistan.
Already happened. Didn’t you notice? People announced that there will be another Draw Muhammad Day this year. Yet no one I know in Pakistan ever saw the event page in Pakistan. In fact, it is not clear if they even had successful event on Facebook. So I ask you, what part did Facebook play in that role? Did they help us?
Appreciate your comments!
Aj Facebook ban karnay ka mansoba banaya ha tu kal ko BLOGGER G+ YAHOO ko bhi ban kar da gay. Abuse to pura Internet ha! site ko ban karnay ka phir kaya fadia. Abuse dosari site sa bhi ho sakta ha!
if you want to change a system you have to be in that system, getting hyper and becoming emotional never solved any problems.
Facebook has billions of users they do not care if a few million left them…but it will effect us big time , we are there to support and bring down those activities which cause hatred as we are taught to face these things calmly in Islam ..if we will be banned to access the facebook just because they are doing wrong ..it would be like closing our eyes and pretending that we have done enough .. at-least we can not see what is going around there any more….Things do not work this way …not now at-least !!
Our voice will be banned !! this was the only medium where we have the freedom ..we know how free our media is i do not trust a single person on the news channels they all all cartoons …now banning facebook defines 1 thing only …They do not want to be exposed !!
We are emotional fools…we can kill people on the name of religion without knowing or confirming the correct method of dealing with things…Oh they care so much about the religion that’s why they doing this?? wake up !!! These people can not block a single porn site !! why CJ dint took any action on this issue? where is the religion in this matter? Common people this is not about The islam ..This is about restricting your freedom !!! Think AGAIN !!!
Good i don’t use Facebook anyway :D….. who cares !!
Numpties. Enough said.
Just keep open torrents and torrent sites :D.. GOD bless internet and torrents :P
@All
Microsoft is a share holder in Facebook. Have we stopped using Windows?
I just see hilarious responses from proponents and opponents.
Do whatever you want. What others are doing on internet – is none of your business.
Shahid you got valid points, i always see you debating here. But as you said your self they either don’t understand or they don’t want to understand it. +1 for you mate.
Those who just say you are not a muslim to get rid of discussion should get a cheap life.
And KID who said Ddos Fb is funy as hell.
sarey budhey paghel ho gaye hain
Great decision
Porn sites needs be blocked as well.
Here we go again :D
@iwhizkid… yaaa funny as hell .. i just floated an idea of shutting dwn fb by any way .. there r lot of ways dude..anyways just keep going on debate n nthng wud come out except every1 leaving 1 by 1 … we need a solution to it … banning isnt a solution coz the content wud still exist there..
Shahid Saleem, i ve been listening to you, but it seems i am not convinced, here is my question (and yes – pls try to be straight forward and to the point, i don’t want to get into details)…
– Someone posts blasphemous content on facebook, no problem, anyone can
– More than 200,000 report that content/page and Facebook doesn’t remove it. In contrast they remove any anti-Jew page in few mins.
Here’s question:
How can you do any good (to get that content removed) by staying on such a platform?
+1 ^ – Exactly my question.
And i 100% agree with both facts you have told above:
1. Anyone can post blashphemous content on Facebook.
2. Facebook will not DELETE/Block that page, even when reported THOUSAND TIMES.
BUT
* Facebook deleted many pages within 24 hours which contains Anti-Jewish content (against Holocaust etc).
Now, who is with the Jew (FACEBOOK) here ? I expect atleast a dozen, looking at responses above…
P.S: Do you know, do you imagine, how big SIN is for someone to listen an Abuse/bad word against the Prother (p.b.u.h) or Holy Quran ? Its a big and harddest thing to bear, and surely who do not have this feeling in them, are very weak. Learn it from QURAN!
Shahid bhai , please answer the question of admin .
Why anti jew Content Remove within minutes ?? and not blasphemous content ??
Sir there is no ONE SINGLE DEFINITION of blasphemous content that works for all religiouns all people.
Like I pointed out: eating beef is a horrible idea for Hindus. And yet do you want Facebook to censor any post about sheesh kebab? Why not? It’s blasphemous for them isnt it?
You could say you don’t care what they think and you know that is a 100% valid viewpoint. But by same reasoning, why should they care about what is blasphemy to you?
it’s not written in most sacred-hindus books
that not to eat beef !!!!
and beef is hilaal in Islam &
so we eat beef !!!!
but no religion says that u r allowed to abuse other religions !!!
and being a Muslim, if sm1 talks against Islam
we should take strict actions against !!!
— Its a big and harddest thing to bear, and surely who do not have this feeling in them, are very weak. Learn it from QURAN!
You raise an excellent point, and I must congratulate you for saying this. In reply, I ask you which is better:
1. to hear such curses and react or reply to such garbage
2. to KNOW that people are spreading lies about our Prophet, our Holy Book, and NOT BE ABLE TO CORRECT THEM BECAUSE THE SITE IS BANNED
Your response, sir?
shahid saleem kia khaney main “ghass” (grass) khatey ho kia.sawal ka seedah seedah jawab nahi detay opper se demagh ki dahi bhi banatey ho.
You say you want to defend our faith? You say you want to defend our Prophet? Is that right?
Who defends anything by running away (banning)?
— Someone posts blasphemous content on facebook, no problem, anyone can
Sure, I accept that. I also accept that every time someone posts about enjoy beefburger or steak meal it offends Hindus, but we don’t think about that, do we? And yet we ask that others care about us…
— More than 200,000 report that content/page and Facebook doesn’t remove it. In contrast they remove any anti-Jew page in few mins.
This question has been asked and answered many many times. I do not understand why there is any confusion. Facebook’s official statement last year was:
— “While the content does not violate our terms, we do understand it may not be legal in some countries. We are investigating this. In cases like this, the approach is sometimes to restrict certain content from being shown in specific countries,” the company said in a statement.
source: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20005388-501465.html (statement can be found on other news sites too)
So, according to Facebook’s terms of service in 2010, the page/event did not VIOLATE them. So no matter how offended you are, that’s the fact.
HOWEVER. We also know that after the event Facebook promised to be more careful about such events/pages especially with regards to Muslims. Again I ask: did anyone in Pakistan even see the Draw Muhammad pages in 2011? Even though YOUR WEBSITE reported it, no one could find it. Explain please?
Lastly, I want to ask you: where does your 200,000 figure come from?
— In contrast they remove any anti-Jew page in few mins.
Anti-Jew is different because anti-Jew means against a GROUP OF PEOPLE, not against a religious figure. Anti-Jew is same as Anti-Kurd or Anti-Flemish or anything like that. Explicitly covered by their TOS. Try putting up an anti-Sindhi page (for example) and see how long it takes to get that dropped after complaints.
Also I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who claim Holocaust never happened. When it is a FACT that Muslims in North Africa and even Turkish embassador in France during WW2 helped Jews escape Germans, then who can deny it? Even our crazy neighbour Ahmedinijad does not deny it, all he says is we should talk about number o fkilled. It is also against the law in many countries in Europe because enough people doubt it. That is why if you are in some countries you cannot even search for Holocaust stuff on Facebook, but in others you can.
— How can you do any good (to get that content removed) by staying on such a platform?
Sir, our Prophet did not leave Makkah even though he was harassed daily and nightly. Did he do good while still living in Makkah? Everyone knows he did: there were many people who became Muslims during that period. Same with all the Sufis who moved to this part of the world to preach. Did they do any good???
If you stay, you can argue or reason with people who publish stuff against you or your country or your faith. If you leave, you remove yourself from equation. By leaving do you stop them from posting? Do you stop from doing anything? you prevent YOURSELF from protesting. Well you can do that without a ban: simply leave.
Let me turn that around and ask you: how much anti-Islam content have you had removed from Twitter? From G+? From Blogger? From Youtube? So, given your lack of figures, I ask you why you focus on Facebook alone?
Shahid, i asked you to be specific please, out of your so many paragraphs, i find only these lines relevent:
Now, according to Facebook (and you) those drawings didn’t spread hatred? and were not violating Facebook TOS?
— Now, according to Facebook (and you) those drawings didn’t spread hatred? and were not violating Facebook TOS?
It’s very simple. Do you remember looking at the page or event, and the info for it? Do you remember any single place where it said the drawings should be offensive? Or respectful? Or anything like that?
This is unlike the Muhammad cartoons in 2005 that WERE OFFENSIVE, but the page/event on Facebook DELIBERATELY AVOIDED TRYING TO BE OFFENSIVE.
That is how they were able to claim it was not hateful. Because holding an event to draw pictures of our Prophet it is not automatically hating our Prophet. This is why Facebook could claim that it did not violate TOS.
The actual drawings can be respectful or hateful, but the EVENT itself cannot possibly be hateful on its own.
If you don’t agree with my reasoning, I ask you one practical question: how many (respectful) paintings of our Prophet do you think there are in Pakistan? If you say zero, I would say you don’t know certain religious segments of our country very well.
Instead of whole essay, let’s go point by point…!
Here was my question: – According to Facebook (and you) those drawings didn’t spread hatred? and were not violating Facebook TOS?
Your Answer: It’s very simple. Do you remember looking at the page or event, and the info for it? Do you remember any single place where it said the drawings should be offensive? Or respectful? Or anything like that?
Shahid Sb, they were not only hateful but abusive, They were using abusive language about our Prophet, Allah and religion. I can’t even mention what kind of stuff they were sharing on that page…
But it was not hatred in your opinion or in Facebook’s opinion?
And You won’t remove that page coz it didn’t comply with your definition of hatred, then I am happy to live without it. I don’t find any point of staying there and fighting with ppl who won’t listen to you
— Shahid Sb, they were not only hateful but abusive, They were using abusive language about our Prophet, Allah and religion. I can’t even mention what kind of stuff they were sharing on that page…
That’s exactly my point: the people sharing the things on that page did not create the page. And people who share such things do not need a special event or page to do it: they can do it all day long anywhere they are allowed to post.
Was what they shared hateful? Certainly! Was the original creator responsible for their posts? Hard to prove.
And you know what? For every shared post you did not like, you could click on the “x” and report it. The posts will go away, I guarantee it.
— And You won’t remove that page coz it didn’t comply with your definition of hatred, then I am happy to live without it.
Sorry, I do not represent Facebook. It was Facebook that looked into the issue and decided not to act. I am trying, trying VERY HARD to make you understand that banning the site will not one single post.
If you ban the site, who will click on the “x” and report anti-Muslim posts? If you don’t want that responsibility, please, don’t prevent me from doing my duty as a Muslim.
How many posts were removed from the page: None
Shahid Sb, all posts, in fact pages themselves were created with an intent to make fun of Prophet Mohammad (P.B.U.H). You will not agree (based on your agenda) but you know well that it was strategic move to push Muslims into walls.
If this was not the reason then why the freedom of speech only start and end with making cartoons of Prophet Mohammad?
It was deliberate act against Muslim community.
Here’s the final answer to your question:
If they aren’t removing the content (while they are in control) we have an option to leave/boycott their platform, and that’s what many of us did.
Bearing pain everyday while living in that type of environment isn’t easy for many, and those who choose to leave are those who give up.
I admit, I gave up before Facebook – boycotting it and ignoring it is a defeat. This is the worst kind of belief i bear. If I was a firm believer, i could have gone to US to give them a legal fight.
But staying there wouldn’t had helped me in anyway, coz Facebook was not in any mood of removing pages/posts or anything related to Draw Mohammad Day. (even 200,000 plus users – who were part of Boycott Draw Mohammad Day – reported it)
P.S. I am not advocating ban, I am just saying that staying on Facebook is/was useless. Any I don’t want to impose my thoughts on others.
— How many posts were removed from the page: None
How do you know this? And pages != posts.
— Shahid Sb, all posts, in fact pages themselves were created with an intent to make fun of Prophet Mohammad (P.B.U.H).
Understand this: for every page created to make fun of our religion or our Prophet, many more existed then (and still do today) to promote our religion. And they are more active than the anti-Islam ones.
— It was deliberate act against Muslim community.
I do not aim to stop any single act against Islam or Muslims. THAT IS NOT MY GOAL.
— If they aren’t removing the content (while they are in control) we have an option to leave/boycott their platform, and that’s what many of us did.
Okay, and what did you accomplish? Really, when there is man shouting curses at your religion and you leave the room, does he stop?
Okay, you decided to leave. Fine. I decide to stay and argue back. WHY ARE YOU NOT OBVIOUSLY TAKING MY SIDE? WHY ARE YOU CALLING IT MY “AGENDA”? What is wrong here? Am I wrong for trying to correct people?
I turned my pain into something positive. Or at least I have tried to, but promoters of the ban prevented me from reacting.
— P.S. I am not advocating ban, I am just saying that staying on Facebook is/was useless. Any I don’t want to impose my thoughts on others.
You may not be advocating a ban, but you certainly aren’t speaking out against it, even though you know the only voices it will silence are Muslim voices.
– How many posts were removed from the page: None ->How do you know this? And pages != posts.
Can you reference to a single post that was removed?
– what did you accomplish? Really, when there is man shouting curses at your religion and you leave the room, does he stop?
Do you stay there and enjoy it? While knowing he won’t listen???
— Can you reference to a single post that was removed?
If you’re asking me, you honestly don’t know. Please don’t claim to have figures that you don’t have.
— Do you stay there and enjoy it? While knowing he won’t listen???
Again, false example. NO ONE GOES TO YOUR WALL AND POSTS STUFF AGAINST OUR RELIGION. By definition, you have to SEEK OUT such pages and posts to see them. They don’t come to you.
You went looking for things, and you found them. Are you upset that they exist, or are you upset that you went searching for them?
There is not been a single DAY since when our Prophet started preaching publicly that someone has not abused him or our religion. And it will be like that for centuries to come.
– If you’re asking me, you honestly don’t know. Please don’t claim to have figures that you don’t have.
I know that none of the post was removed, but apparently you don’t have stats neither the proofs
– Again, false example. NO ONE GOES TO YOUR WALL AND POSTS STUFF AGAINST OUR RELIGION. By definition, you have to SEEK OUT such pages and posts to see them. They don’t come to you.
By definition idea of social network is to throw content is at your wall/feed – you don’t need to follow/search things to reach them. So i will be bugged while Facebook say’s they are not bothered with such content and hence not removing it
Furthermore, I ask you: if you stay, you can reply. You said it yourself in your post before the ban last year: the pages for the contest were filled not just with anti-Muslim contest, but also Muslims trying to reason with them.
Keep that in mind. Muslims were trying to reason with them.
How can you support any measure which silences Muslim voices of reason?
You are again at first ladder – Yes we tried to reason, argue with them but Facebookers decided not to listen, why you miss this point – they had made their mind to not to listen to us.
— By definition idea of social network is to throw content is at your wall/feed – you don’t need to follow/search things to reach them.
That’s not how ANY SOCIAL NETWORK even works! You FOLLOW people, THEN you see their content on your feed. When was the last time Facebook or Twitter or Orkut or Friendster or any other social networking site showed you content you did not ask for?
Never.
— You are again at first ladder
You simply don’t get it.
Let me explain yet again the advantage of talking to those who do not care: YOUR RELIGION.
The religion you were born in.
Were 100% of your ancestors Muslims? No. Someone came to your ancestor and convinced them to become a Muslim. Same with mine.
If you think carefully, you will realize that in order to convert anyone to Islam, a Muslim had to meet up and deal with non-Muslims. History teaches us that not all encounters between Muslims and non-Muslims were easy, simple, without fights. In fact, the opposite: Muslims died at the hands of non-Muslims all the time.
And yet, here you are, a Muslim.
Now, would you go back in time and tell the Muslims who helped convert your ancestors to go back? To not preach? To stay in your own Arabian lands, no need to come to this part of the world?
That is what you want us to do by leaving Facebook.
v good!aamir bhai
Oh, also, don’t be too shy about answering MY questions, too. How many tweets have you had removed? G+ posts? Blogger posts? Youtube videos?
Be fair.
HAHAHAHA bhot zabardast amir bhai,aap ney shahid sahab ko knockout kar diya ,mujey sahhid saleem k comment bhot buray lagtey hain ,balkay shahid saleem bhi bhot bura lagta hai.
Ha ha
SHAHID saleem has LOW IQ level.
i second ammir’s point of view here, much concised and pretty straight forward question for Shahid Saleem.
i was also waiting for his comments, but he didn’t came back yet, might be somewhere.. i also suggested him in my post to solve the issue but seems like he just want to stick with his own point of view,
The sad thing is while I can provide reasonable answer and evidence to back up my reasoning, NO ONE ELSE CAN because they rely on emotional arguments, not facts.
My challenge to you: look at these two approaches and answer my very simple questions.
1. ban facebook. we will never see anti-Muslim content there.
2. leave facebook unbanned. we will see anti-Muslim content and can report it or at least have discussion to remove it.
question 1. Which do you want?
question 2. Looking at the past of our religion, religious leaders, and Prophets, which option did they take in their time on Earth?
Be honest. I am.
exacly!!! agree with Shahid, please keep the doors open, be global and dare to fight :)
Close it now.
will you pay for the people who are working using facebook?
In fact, I think I want to offer a money reward to anyone who can PROVE that banning the site will make anti-Islam content go away. Can anyone PROVE that?
agreed
shahid saleem ap mujay ye btao k ap ko dukh nai hua bura nai laga jo fb nay hamry NABI PAK (S.A.W) ki shan mai gustakhi ki hai????iska ka ans yes or No mai do!
Sir, you are stuck. You cannot get past feelings. Of course I did not feel good about it. Of course I did not like Facebook’s inaction. But the whole point of what I am saying is WHAT I DID ABOUT MY FEELINGS! I took the time and effort to PROMOTE ISLAM in response to the actions.
The very very sad thing about it is that I had more Pakistanis angry at me for not supporting the ban last year than I non-Muslims who hated me for defending Islam. In the past six months I have had less abuse from non-Muslims than I have had today from Muslims.
What does that say about your purity?
You or any other Muslim while being there on Facebook helped remove the content?
They didn’t listen to us – We don’t worth a penny before them. They kicked our pleas to tell us that they rule us.
One way was to keep licking their toes to beg them or other way was to boycott them, leave them. In both cases pages were never created for removal at the end.
Moving Forward:
Build your own technology, develop your own Facebook, not like millat did with scripts, build it on an infrastructure that’s even better than zukerburg’s – compete with them, it may take you years, but your direction will be optimum.
a part from this discussion, please visit this link :p
http://imhalal.com/
So we remain unheard by the world that what our opinion is. I agree that we build our own technology and make that as successful as facebook or beyond but till then we have to compete with what we have and that is facebook that makes you heard by millions of people. Human around the world are not all not dumbs and they can make rationale as to what is right and what is wrong. Read about Norman Finkelstein who opposes holocaust and is american christian. Why can’t we see the ray of hope here that let them work against us and we muslims can rise high because the wind is blowing against us.
Neither in my lifetime nor in yours will attacks on our Prophet or any other aspect of our religion cease. UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THAT. Even if all the borders of Pakistan are closed and TV Radio Internet banned, THEY WILL STILL OCCUR.
Knowing that, what is the best course of action? My viewpoint is to promote Islam and increase awareness so that people are MORE LIKELY to REJECT such actions and stories, even if they themselves are not Muslims.
Today, if I want a show on Fox TV, will I get one? On CBC in Canada, BBC, anywhere in the west? Yet with a few clicks I can reach literally MILLIONS of non-Muslims on Facebook. Facebook does not prevent me from performing promotion of Islam.
Facebook does not prevent anyone from spreading Islam. A ban on Facebook does EXACTLY THAT. So I ask you, not for the first time why you seek to ban it?
What you are suggesting is that if someone abuses my father in a cafe, I should stay there, while knowing that i can’t do anything about the abusers. They are powerful, more in number and well armed.
I have seen complaining the owner, but he’s apparently become a party with abusers. In fact owner tells me that’s abusers are not violating any rules…
Who will plan to sit there and use the cafe as a medium to communicate with others? sitting there in one corner while knowing that someone is abusing my father in another corner, wont be possible to bear…
One way is that i give them a (legal) fight, if i am not that powerful/resourceful i will get out of that cafe (ashamed and embarrassed)and will not go there again till i am resourceful enough.
Hypocracy!!!
Just because it seems easy for you to call for a ban of facebook you do not want to stay in whereas all the other anti-islamic things happening around us – no word from anybody…
Calling salman rushdi as wajib-ul-qatal hasn’t done any good to Islam rather he was knighted and living a lavish life – at least in this mortal world…
Its not the condemning and banning the content that eliminates the root cause, its contesting that makes the rationale to listeners to judge right and wrong…
O mere pyare Pakistanio! Jazbatiat choro aur amal karo… khuda ke liye qadri jaisa na karna… try to remain in senses…
Keep going Amir bhai main aap k saath hoon aur majority bhi aap k saath hai,shahid saleem jesay loog bas pakistan main zyda se zyda 5% hi hain, jin ko facebook choorney pe mout parti hai,amir bhai aap ney shahid saleem ko knock out kiya hai.
I will surely support the cause if it can avoid anti-islamic content on facebook. More than this I would have been the greatest supporter had mere writing here on the blog can really ban facebook – chalo aur kuch nahin to power to show ho na…
They care a hoot about us when we just talk and we all sitting here proving to them that we are just talkers…
I am a blogger, not an activist. I can just give my opinion – executors are sitting in parliament.
Wish our blogging does not remain the blogging only and our activist do not remain activists only… individuals with a bit of both attributes will do good to the nation…
Otherwise we bloggers will sit here talking and activists like qadri will do the actions only… both without reaching any solution…
— What you are suggesting is that if someone abuses my father in a cafe, I should stay there, while knowing that i can’t do anything about the abusers.
Absolutely false analogy. Better analogy: you visit a market. Someone approaches you and tells you that someone is abusing your relative in some small corner shop. SO YOU GO THERE AND HEAR THE ABUSE KNOWING FULL WELL WHAT YOU WILL HEAR. And then you boycott the entire market for that, not just the cafe.
No one forces you to visit anti-Muslim content. You went there willingly.
How much anti-Muslim content is there on Facebook? 90%? 50%? 10%? 2%? 0.000001%? Again, I guarantee that there is more anti-Muslim content OUTSIDE FACEBOOK on the internet at large than there is INSIDE FACEBOOK. And yet do you boycott the internet? There is probably more ACTIVE anti-Muslim content on Youtube than Facebook, and yet do you call for a 100% full boycott of Youtube?
Why can’t you explain your different approach for Facebook vs Youtube/Blogger/LiveJournal/Typepad/Wordpress.com/xanga/etc? This is the most obvious problem here.
– And then you boycott the entire market for that, not just the cafe.
No, i will boycott the cafe only – coz the cafe owner didn’t listen to me. i don’t know what made you change the scenes, it’s about the owner whose not listening to me – What market has to do with it?
-No one forces you to visit anti-Muslim content. You went there willingly.
Webmaster is responsible for the content after it’s reported by huge audience, if he still likes the content and doesn’t remove it – i won’t stay there.
:@ Amir bhai shayad Shahid Saleem has low IQ level.merya khayal se jis ko “nafs” ki baat manni hoti hai wo hazaar bahaney dhondta hai aur haram ko halal karney ki fikar main rehta hai.
— No, i will boycott the cafe only – coz the cafe owner didn’t listen to me
You’re boycotting the market. The cafe is just like a page, whereas Facebook is like the market: large, diverse, full of people who are your friends, or indifferent to you, or hostile to you.
You’re throwing out all the good because of a few pages and a few people. You know, whenever I hear ignorant people in the West blame Islam for all the bombs and everything, I cannot help but think of this analogy of yours. They blame ALL of us because of a few people acts. You do the same to them. Neither viewpoint is correct, but they are equally wrong.
— Webmaster is responsible for the content after it’s reported by huge audience, if he still likes the content and doesn’t remove it – i won’t stay there.
No one is asking you to go to Facebook. What we’re DESPERATELY TRYING TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND is that we think it’s the wrong choice, and if you don’t do anything with your reach and clout of this blog, you will silence our voices.
Let me talk again with Muftis, scholars, teachers of the country and do a separate post on this topic
Be sure to also contact the ones who are on Facebook, and ask them for their pros/cons for leaving, and why they did not leave.
To be fair, you must talk to all sides.
Don’t worry about fairness…
— Webmaster is responsible for the content
When I said earlier that “In the past six months I have had less abuse from non-Muslims than I have had today from Muslims.” I was not kidding. It was a statement of fact.
By your above reasoning, about site webmasters, does that mean hat you are responsible for all the attacks on my character? You approved the comments.
By YOUR reasoning.
Lets think of it this way, we cannot stand up and use their platform to spread islam, but we can run away and ban the site, consequently ruining the jobs of about a million people who are earning money for Pakistan using Facebook through their business and getting the country SOME revenue.
wow very interesting.
one day Facebook will be revolution for our country too like Egypt.
I agree with Shahid Saleem that banning will not help the cause and we will probably (very less chance) not see any anti-islamic content thereafter. Have anybody ever thought that just by protesting on such content there would be few atleast who will listen to our rationale and belief. These people can be potentials who can be convinced that anti-islamic content is spreading falsehood and revert to Islam. Can’t you guys see Islam growing religion in west even after so many anti-islamic movements, racism and hatred. Its just because even after so many anti-islam campaigns, Muslims in those countries continued to do what they should. They kept mosques filled, Quran’s presence and teachings of Islam. Youtube has lot of content that is anti-islamic but why can’t we see the stories of all those reverting to islam from christianity and other religions. Its just because muslims remain in between and show by their deeds and protest that its a propaganda.
Please! do think in a way so that we can promote Islam.
I am not a pure muslim and I will always retaliate as I did in the “Draw Mohammad Day” last year when I started the conversation with a christian here on propakistani. I was pursuing on drawing holocaust even after all his comments as I made him feel that freedom of expression is allowed anywhere. I told them that if we want we can spread this holocaust drawing with other medium as well if facebook does not allow that.
I guess some of you and admin would have remembered it.
Agreed. Lets take this as a chance to reach out those who dont know anything about islam and our Prophet (PBUH). Words, logic and patient debates is how we will win, not by childish walkouts.
Illiterate LHC and those people!!
one thing for sure !!! By banning Such a huge website We people are not going to win any kind of battle nor a medal …We will loose our freedom of speech , our Revenue and many business …What we will get ? Are we going to become a good Muslim by banning f.b ? hell no !! at least i don’t consider it will effect my self in this regard.. we just know how to point fingers at each other …The people who are rolling there eyes and asking .”Oh God how could you say that shame on you ..you are not a Muslim bla bla…”who gives you the right to decide ? think about yourself and about your deeds ..because you are not helping any one not even yourself… Islam Teaches us to preach ,keep trying , if they don’t listen than leave them on there own as they can not do any damage in real sense..Islam do not teaches us to go away and hide because someone do not agree with us !! They are responsible of there deeds …
Getting emotional and making stupid decisions not Appreciated much any where…I am sure that more than 95% people in the world didn’t know about these stupid competitions etc before .. until we people went crazy and told every one …what will we get out of it ?? As i said earlier “NOTHING”…BUT embarrassing ourselves as every foreigner who hears about this fiasco asks ” Are the Porn sites are allowed in Islam” ?? You people never think of banning those ? even you people are becoming no 1 in porn search over the web?? What is the Answer ?…..
I think we should all go back to our villages and tend crops, we are not mature enough for this time.
Too late we already buy seeds from Monstanto and other companies!
kiun fb hi kiun bnd kraye hain dats not a big issue and its nt bad at all if ppl take as in good way .y PORNOGRAPHY sites or these kind of thngs are not going to block.tha is not a way .there are lot of Pakis ppl who run there own bzns thru fb so y shud it b blok.lots of grls who r earn money thru fb cuz they dnt have facility to go outside .but they got money at home .frst shud have to stop or blok thoes sites that create worst effect on youngstrs ..fb is not bad at all
Block facebook.com rite Now !
even i have some pages with many likes but Agreed with you, it should be banned immediately!
I dont knw who is right and whose wrong…though i tried to figure out after reading all this and now im more confused. Neither are we getting a solution out of here…all we are doing is fighting with each other.
I pray that Allah might help us in showing us the right path and make us strong enough to take the right decisions.
i m not in favor of Fb or you tube or Google bt i believe one thing that our govt main focus to block everything from Pakistan which can b use to give some knowledge regarding what our govt doing……
Some pages are still there… not blocked yet!
Shame on our government, i hope PRoPakistani guys can report it ask the authorities to block these pages, otherwise we dont mind blocking the whole site because its just againt their own law and causes so many problems…
1: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Everybody-Draw-A-Mohammed-Day/129727283712901
2: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Everybody-draw-Mohammed-day/121131351252563
3: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Everybody-Draw-Mohammed-Day-The-Original/126764500674676
and there are many more pages, you can search yourself by typing
“Everybody Draw Mohammed Day”
or
“Draw Mohammed Day”
or
“Draw Muhammed Day” difference of “o” & “a”.
i tried to report and asked my friends too, but it didnt help me to get these pages down or blocked.
hey ppl wait a sec…
Ali Malik has raised another question in my mind.
Look, Mr. Z n co. r nt that pious that they r gonna block anti-islamic content, they dnt care. i should tell u that the worst site i have seen against islam is faithfreedom.org which isnt blocked in Pak, however its blocked in Arab countries.
coming to the point, WHY just FB shud be blocked for anti-islamic content. Mr Z n co must have thot to make ppl emotional on this issue, just debating on support ban or not to support ban, but not thinking that they want to ban a TOOL which brought revolution in tunisia, egypt, libia etc. that is the major objective of mr z n co. they dont care about islam, just make us fool n emotional n get their own benefit. they dnt want us to gather n bring revolution through ANY TOOL so finding excuses which look VALID to us.
i hope u got my point. wt u say??
every 1 has valid points… i agree to those points but the solution is not just banning.
think of benefit of ban to our govt.i hope every 1 here is sensible.
i like this decision….. Facebook should be banned permanently, and for those people who are against this decision listen being a Muslim there is no compromise in case of Prophet Muhammed (p.b.u.h)….if u are so much social networking addict there are plenty of other sites too….don’t say u can’t live without facebook…
As per recent updates received from PTA that they just ordered all ISPs to Block only 10 Specific Pages related to Blasphemous contents on Facebook. I think that we have to Block the root cause of this issue ( To Block Facebook permanently ). This should be an example of others.
Regards,
Muhammad Anees Ur Rahman
If you ban Facebook, the only voices you silence are Muslim voices.
Thanks to Lahore High Court … All the Nation appericiated to ban the specific pages… A Real Muslim Cannot be allowed to show pages against our holy prophet.. i knew in the last few months Many time Kashmiri Freedom group page was banned .. but why this hattered page is not banned..
To ban something completely is not practical.. if from islamic point of view u cannot force anyone to do or not to do anything, and what if fb is banned? will people become literate and will become good muslims??
great sounds.
Aaj open nahi ho rahi Block tu nahi ho gai??
abhi tak block nahin h
Pakistan should block only those pages of facebook which are against Muslims,, not the whole facebook,,, blocking the whole facebook is very bad,, many employees have job on fbook in pakistan so if fbook will b banned they will loose jobs ,,,
AOA,
shame on those people who write shame . actually
the facebook just only destroyer the new genration of muslim. there is nothing else. its is only meeting point of males and females just only.facebook is a western agent or lobby to destructive muslim race to change the mind of people from islam. i m praying to GOD .away us to all muslim to this sin.me also………
You’re acting as if Facebook picked up a gun and robbed you of your mobile phone.
Facebook is just a tool. You want to use it for good, you can. I know many Islamic preachers who post sermons and articles there and also respond to questions.
I am not in favour of banning whole facebook but yes its a really disappointing fact that Facebook doesn’t ban such pages or groups who spread hatred against Islam, Muslims and our Holy Prophet PBUH.
Now tell me one thing, how many Muslim countries have actually banned facebook permanently? Majority of the Muslims are still using facebook and no doubt its a really useful platform if used correctly.
I am running a Islamic forum named ‘ Islamicteachings.org ‘ with a team consisting of born Muslims and reverts from last 6 years. After all these years I have only 2629 members up till now. 3 months ago I launched a facebook group named ‘ Dawah on facebook ‘ and within this short period I have whooping 23178 members. Now I have integrated facebook and twitter authentication into my forum so that more people could join my forum easily.
So do you still think we should ban facebook in spite of all positive things it has for us? For me its just like banning whole Internet.
i will like to block the websites which shows the porny pictures and videos atleast in pakistan. so that muslim should really be muslims.
i will like to block the websites which shows the porny pictures and videos atleast in pakistan. so that muslim should really be muslims. is my view correct????????
face book playing an evil character in the world between muslims and christians to improve religious collateral damage,it should not only banned in pakistan but all the world also,,,,
Facebook band honi chahiye keun k isme hmare holy prophet ki be hurmati ki hai…..
Pakistan kia aur is ke courts kia? America ko to yeh mana nahin kar sakhtay drone attacks se woh to samajh may ata hai ke yeh dartay hain magar facebook se kia darr hain inhay i dont understand.
Konsi qayamat aajayegi agar facebook block kar dia to. i mean akhir aisa konsa faida ho raha hai facebook se pakistan ko. except for the ruining of young generation
High court kia high court ka baap bhi nahin block kar sakta facebook ko
LHC took a good decision !
it seems that mr. shahid saleem is owner of fb,, cann’t live without fb…..
fb should be the goal of Muslim,,,,!
Islam should the 1st prefernce of Muslims
nothing else e.g. fb……
any1 can clearly c that fb is used against Islam !
1) anti-jews pages were removed within few mintues !!!
2) while anti-Islam pages or posts are not removed on reporting thousands of hunderds of Muslims !!!!
raising the slogan of equality & freedom to say anything & promoting PEACE, are big , bigger & the biggest cause for voilation & for separating hate specailly for Muslims !!!! ONLY
3)they protect their country by attacking on other country !!!
4) they save animals but kill human beings !!!
5) they consider themselves at right only !!! others at fault !!!!
6) they attack other country resources for just saying to kill terrorist !!!
7) in fact,,, they are biggest terrorists ever & forever !!!!
8)they deceive other and it is their aim & hobby !!!
9) they only make ppl to listen but listen to any1!!!!
10) if sm1 talks against them, they call him rebels, illeterate , terrorists etc……
that’s their positive thinking ???
Please think about it ….
AOA
Dear All, One concept should be clear in your minds. Read the story below.
On Fatah-e-Makkah, prophet Muhammad s.a.w openly announced forgiveness for those who entered in Haram, Abu Sufian r.a or lock inside his/her home.
But Prophet Muhammad announced some names and father name and for father’s name and order to kill them either found any where. All of them were killed but one enter inside the Kaba Cover (Ghilaf-e-Kaba). He was killed under the cover and his blood shows the muslim ummat there is not protection of ghustakh-e-nabi even in the cover of kaba.
So brother, we should all check our emaan status. If we dont love our Muhammad s.a.w more than our life, our emaan is in-complete. It was said to Hazrat Umer r.a by our beloved prophet.
If facebook dont remove the photos then how you bear to login into the facebook.
Its the same that you continue abusing to my father and I have still friendship with you.
its a good decision.
oh great decision took by the supreme court thanks alot !
Khuda na ajj uss qoum key halat nahi badli
Na ho khiyal jisay apni halat kay badalnay ka
Dedicated to all facebook lover.
Do you think the problem is Facebook users in Pakistan? Or do you think the problem is non-Muslims outside Pakistan?
If it’s the second group, why restrict the first group? Sense: you are not making any.
Hello.
I’m glad to see that it is going to be closed. Actually I’m addict to facebook but if they do something wrong against our Mohammed S.A.W.W (So I’m not going to bear it). Actually Facebook is not only the website there are others too that having bad language against OUR PBHU, for example : Youtube, facebook, or others websites.
I’m glad that you’re doing a well Job.
Plus I wanted to add, You’ll not get anything by blocking this, there are others serval website where they can draw.
LHC took a good decision !
it seems that mr. shahid saleem is owner of fb,, cann’t live without fb…..
fb should be the goal of Muslim,,,,!
Islam should the 1st prefernce of Muslims
nothing else e.g. fb……
any1 can clearly c that fb is used against Islam !
1) anti-jews pages were removed within few mintues !!!
2) while anti-Islam pages or posts are not removed on reporting thousands of hunderds of Muslims !!!!
raising the slogan of equality & freedom to say anything & promoting PEACE, are big , bigger & the biggest cause for voilation & for separating hate specailly for Muslims !!!! ONLY
3)they protect their country by attacking on other country !!!
4) they save animals but kill human beings !!!
5) they consider themselves at right only !!! others at fault !!!!
6) they attack other country resources for just saying to kill terrorist !!!
7) in fact,,, they are biggest terrorists ever & forever !!!!
8)they deceive other and it is their aim & hobby !!!
9) they only make ppl to listen but listen to any1!!!!
10) if sm1 talks against them, they call him rebels, illeterate , terrorists etc……
that’s their positive thinking ???
Please think about it ….
hahahha very strange mullahs rules here lol these people dont understand
i use facebook for promoting my website what if there was no fb i would die
i would die
i would die have mercy on me mullahs :p
how ppl were alive, when there is no fb???
every1 has its point of thinking !!!
I am doing seo / internet marketing job and business too. never promoted my websites on FB until or unless my client demand me to do so, before FB people do Internet Marketing and still i know many people out there, they promote there websites with different ways without using FB.
What about tons material by islamic extremist spreading hatred and sectarianisn on the internet?Shame on all the mullahs and their slaves.
Muslims can never do that !!!
it’s a conspiracy against Islam !!!
some non-muslim do that to the world to be against Muslims only !!!
it’s proved by 9/11 conspiracy, mumbai attack,
now it’s clear,,,,, even they accept that thing !!!
if usa attack afghanistan, iraq etc, they call them extremist !!!
and if Muslims take step for their protection,, they call them rebel, terrorist !!!!
plz must watch, if u have free time for research !!!
total 8 parts,,,
9/11 conspiracy in urdu :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9oO5a2xu6U
@zohaib jahan
Same could be said about so called Islamic donkeys?
-Religion of peace, and yet people are killed on the name of it everyday.
-If you don’t agree with their views, you are a kaafir.
I mean I can write a bigger list than you. But we are not going to get anywhere.
of course you can !!!
any1 who killed any inncoent human being,
kills whole mankind !!! (Al-Quran)
and i hate these type of ppl !!!
the ppl whome about u r talking,
have not proper knowledge of ISLAM…!!!
Islam have no place no these type of ppl…!!!
if talibaan do such work, i disagree with them,
but i am against USA, Israil, India’s polocies against ISLAM ….!!! and that’s true
ASALAM O AALAIKUM.,
Pak gov should ban those dirty pages of facebook at least.
I see FB as a place of Da’awa for more than 750 million people. I totally agree with the viewpoint of Shahid Saleem and those who dont can be called extremists as most of the Muslims are so called. Come out of your shells and face the facts. Hate is not the answer, standing ground and argument is.
shame on u…….
i think a better solution is for pakistani companies to stop advertising on facebook. it will hurt their revenues and hopefully they will get the message. Banning anything (internet related) in pakistan through legislation takes us back to stone age. Not a smart move. We have to to use our brains to influence the world – not our anger.
Already discussed before. Pakistanis are just 2% of Facebook. The ad revenue from Pakistani companies is not going to be more than 2% of Facebook’s revenue (likely very less because only a few local companies advertise there). In actual terms, local companies pay for less than 1 week of Facebook’s revenues. They can take the hit from us leaving and it won’ affect them.
In a few months they will make up the loss automatically from other sources.