PTA Blocks Ahmaddiya Controlled Religious Website

Pakistan Telecommunication Authority(PTA) that is known for blocking several sites with inappropriate content has come into action ones again.

This time, it has blocked a site by the name of alislam.org. The site was controlled by people of the Ahmaddiya community. According to reports that we are getting so far, the site was accused for blasphemy against the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H).

The decision to block the site was announced today. On opening the website, a message appears telling the user of the blockade along with an email address for complaining.

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Currently, I can’t see any chances of the removal of blockade of this site in the near future but who knows what will happen especially after Farahnaz Isphahani (former member of the national assembly) tweeted following:

“Have taken up issue of blocking Ahmadiyya website with concerned officials in Pakistan.”

Of course banning of websites isn’t new in Pakistan because we’ve already seen a ban on thousands of websites including Twitter which was banned only sometime ago.

Just to add (to avoid any religious fight in comments) the process for deciding the ban on a website should be made more transparent by communicating the general public about the decision. If a website/URL is blasphemous in nature, sure – go ahead and block it. But the whole process needs plenty of refinement, such as:

  • PTA should publish the list of blocked websites, detailing if block is temporary or permanent
  • PTA should also specify the reasons for blocking a website
  • Mechanism should be devised for the public for reconsideration/review of PTA’s decision of blocking any website
  • Similarly, PTA should also devise a way for public to report inappropriate websites – that they think should be blocked.

We are likely to see outrage on this decision of PTA, which could be avoided if authority had detailed down the reasons for ban, any particular pages that were blasphemous or any content it had deemed inappropriate.

Update:

Above mentioned banned ahmaddiya website is now opening on various ISPs – for Details Click here.


  • usman mir (@uzman0)

    Thx for updating but some people told me its only banned on PTCL server you can access it by other ISPs. But now i think PTA has blocked it.

    • Rehan

      The website alislam.org is working on Cybernet Connection which I am using. Its not blocked !

      • Musab

        If someone wants to access the site without proxies, simply enter: https://alislam.org – Please note, its “HTTPS”, not HTTP.

        • Shahid Saleem

          I think soon enough they’ll just block the IP.

          • Musab

            Doesn’t matter…PTA has already helped spread the word of Ahmadiyya sites.

            Before the ban, a few people knew about the site, but now Alhamdullilah, many know about the sites. Keep blocking more and let me know about them too.

            Thank you PTA and thank you for all the haters of Ahmadiyya! :)

            • mudasir

              bro u cant stop it even do anything …bcz GOD promise with maseih Maud “kh main tere pegham ko duniya ke kinaroin tak pohnchaoin ga……………..

              • Yasmeen

                Thank you @Musab for sharing an easier way to access this site.

                Indeed, Allah has promised The Messiah that “His message will reach the corners of the Earth”

                No matter how hard anti-Ahmadiyya tries, they’re only helping us spreading our message of Peace and Love: Love for All – Hatred For none!

                • Ali

                  Pakistani and Muslim hackers should hack and destroy this site.

                  • Ahmed

                    Aamir Bhai, Have you turned Ahmadi ? Thank you for spreading this, I think this is more a political cum religious cum HR blog rather a tech blog anymore. No where in world where Government control Internet, is mentioned reason to block every website, why will you demand this from PTA? Only simple message is displayed, if you still want to know the reason email them. And I think PTA should be smart here and if they block a site they should also block secure site access as well for that domain.

                    • Mohsin Khan

                      Nabuwatt ka silsila to Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W pr hi mukammal ho gya tha. un k bad jo shkhs bhi nbuwatt ka dawa kre ga, wo Kazzaab hai, or kutte se bhi bd-tr.. Alhumdulillah ! mirza lanti Qadyani jis trah mra tha, usi trah us k perokar bhi mren ge or dono jahano may azzab or zillat unka muqaddar hai
                      -MK-

                  • Muhammad Naeem

                    Ya brother, you are absolutely right!
                    This site should be completely destroyed!

                    • Umar

                      I think we should launch a nuke on ourselves. There is so much hatred and lack of tolerance towards each other, that everyone wants everyone else die who differs from their opinion.

            • pakistani

              Qadiyani ya tu Murtid hai ya Zandeek ,dono ki saza Islam main Mout hai.

    • paki

      Qadiyani ya tu Murtid hai ya Zandeek ,dono ki saza Islam main Mout hai.

      • Salman Abbas

        Born qadyanis ki nai hai Mr.Racist F*ck

        • Moz

          This response is to the Paki.

    • MUNIB

      I have hard time understanding a simple logic, kindly help anyone :

      According to law of PAK, ahmadiz are out of ISLAM i.e non muslims i.e their have a SEPARATE religion. Once they have a seprate religion , they like other religions e.g hindu,christ etc have a right to propagate their religion.

      Now howcome we can throw people OUT of islam and then ban them from spreading their faith too ?

      Either you accept them as a MUSLIM and stop them from spreading their ideology by saying they are distorting ISLAM or you throw them out (which we have done now) and then let them do whatever they want to inside the boundry of law.

      PAK is a unique place to be in

      • Shigrif

        Valid Point!

        Majority of pakis are illiterate and what ever their so called scholars (molvies) tell them they abide by it, without thinking or reasoning; No research, nothing!

        They thought kicking Ahmadies out of Islam will make them vulnerable and they will soon surrender under the pressure, but unfortunately their planned failed and now they use abusive language, threat and kill them in the name of Islam and Allah. God forbid! If they don’t understand after facing such horrible situations in Pakistan (loading shedding, floods, earth quakes, rulers and the list goes on and on) then what will make them understand??!

        PS: This also reminds me, IF molvies have done such an AWESOME job of declaring Ahmadies as non-muslims then why dont they release the record of those days (or meetings) when Ahmadies were declared non muslims? (I am referring to the conversation between the 3rd Khalifa and molves) They should proudly show to the world, but so far theyve been keeping it a secret (25+ yrs hav passed). I wonder why!!?!

        • محمد آصف

          This is a reply to Munib and Shigrif.
          Firstly Why are we so “Simple” when it comes to Islam. In every Muslim State (either in previous history or in current era) all followers of other religions has the right to perform their religious Do-and-Don’ts, except the spreading of their religions. Because if someone who has wisdom, study Islam and other religions he will undoubtedly come to the point that Islam is the ultimate “Deen” which covers every aspect of life (here and hereafter) in very details. And the last Messenger of Allah Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W is the world’s most Trusted and Truthful Personality than any other. And Ahmadiyaas/Qadiyaanis/Aaghakhaanis are the worst lair because they preach their thoughts and teachings in the veil of Muslims/Islam. When they go to someone (who don’t know much about Islam) then they tell him/her that we belong to Muslim and (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qaadyani) is the Messenger of Allah (Na’uzubillah) and we request you to accept our “Religion”. Then they offer him/her some money (to trap him/her by this way, because he/she is poor in most cases) and other facilities which he/she doesn’t own. Besides this they disguise themselves as a True Muslim. The main point here is that They are non-Muslims, but they show themselves as Muslims! So what is this? Not Lie? Not Fraud? Not Deception? Not Munafiqat(Hypocrisy)? Not Ill-legal?
          Onething another, They (and their supportive party MQM) are the most dangerous Terrorist of Pakistan. They want to make a separate state. And they have tried this in the past like Rabwah (Now Chanab Nagar) but InshaAllah they cannot success in their efforts and Attempts.
          If someone wants to know the whole truth about these lairs and Hypocrates, Fraudsters then visit and Study :
          http://www.khatm-e-nubuwwat.org/urdu.htm

          http://www.khatm-e-nubuwwat.org/english/pamphlets/1.htm

          • the main point that you missed is that who are we decide someone Muslim or Non-Muslim…???
            When some one says he/she is Muslim and if he/she is not then that matter lies between him and his God.
            We do not have ANY authority to decide the faith of anyone…
            and please…give facts and figures..dont mere quote any thing what comes to mind…
            If so, then What about whole Saudi Arabia…isn’t it under America fully??
            but dear, these sorta arguments are useless…coz when someone speaks about someone, it does not mean that they are partner or any other rubbish..
            plz think first…

            • Shigrif

              I agree with [email protected]…Who are you to judge who is Muslim and who isn’t. Anyone who recites Kalima is a Muslim; its very simple!

              Are you and the molvies GOD (Naozobillah)?

            • Muhammed Ovais Alam

              Allah SWT said in Quran about last prophet which is “Hazrat Muhammad SAWW” not your Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani.

              If one don’t believe in end of prophet-hood he’s not MUSLIM according to Quran/Hadith.

              Jahan phass jao wahan Molvi hazraat ko le aao.. Jab k ye baat to Quran main hi kahi ja chuki hai.

            • NAZIR MALIK

              Dear,
              I regret to say that still you have a soft corner for QADYANIS because you don’t know the reality of QADYANIS. Please be informed that other non muslims are much more better than QADYANIS.

              For you kind information,
              • Mirza says…. whoever not believe me, he is Kafar
              • Non believers of Ghulam Ahmad are son of bitches.

              Are you non believer of Ghulam Ahmad?
              Then feel the difference either still have a soft corner for QADYANIS if so you may please give me a call @ 03006056061 and I will tell you the difference between Muslim & QADYANIS.

              Secondly, as per constitution of Pakistan (QADYANI ACT-1984) QADYANIS are not allowed.

              • To practice preaching of their religion withy in Pakistan.
              • They can’t use world muslim for them.
              • They can’t use world MASJID for their worshiping place.
              • They can’t even write any Quraanic verses on their worshiping place.
              • They can’t even write KALMA on their worshiping place.

          • Mursaleen

            Excellent reply
            thanks

            • NAZIR MALIK

              Thank you Mursaleen
              GOD bless you.

          • YawXir

            OF Course Asif Bhai you are Cent Percent Right
            All non Muslims have their liberty to observe all their religious rights EXCEPT To Preach In an Islamic Country

      • NAZIR MALIK

        Dear Munib,
        I regret to say that still you have a soft corner for QADYANIS because you don’t know the reality of QADYANIS. Please be informed that other non muslims are much more better than QADYANIS.

        For you kind information,
        • Mirza says…. whoever not believe me, he is Kafar.
        • Non believers of Ghulam Ahmad are son of bitches.

        Are you non believer of Ghulam Ahmad?
        Then feel the difference either still have a soft corner for QADYANIS if so you may please give me a call @ 03006056061 and I will tell you the difference between Muslim & QADYANIS.

        Secondly, as per constitution of Pakistan (QADYANI ACT-1984) QADYANIS are not allowed.

        • To practice preaching of their religion withy in Pakistan.
        • They can’t use world muslim for them.
        • They can’t use world MASJID for their worshiping place.
        • They can’t even write any Quraanic verses on their worshiping place.
        • They can’t even write KALMA on their worshiping place.

      • NAZIR MALIK

        Dear,
        I regret to say that still you have a soft corner for QADYANIS because you don’t know the reality of QADYANIS. Please be informed that other non muslims are much more better than QADYANIS.

        For you kind information,
        • Mirza says…. whoever not believe me, he is Kafar
        • Non believers of Ghulam Ahmad are son of bitches.

        Are you non believer of Ghulam Ahmad?
        Then feel the difference either still have a soft corner for QADYANIS if so you may please give me a call @ 03006056061 and I will tell you the difference between Muslim & QADYANIS.

        Secondly, as per constitution of Pakistan (QADYANI ACT-1984) QADYANIS are not allowed.

        • To practice preaching of their religion withy in Pakistan.
        • They can’t use world muslim for them.
        • They can’t use world MASJID for their worshiping place.
        • They can’t even write any Quraanic verses on their worshiping place.
        • They can’t even write KALMA on their worshiping place.

      • FARHAN

        MUNIB try to get some sense…

        Yes Ahmaddiya Peoples can propagate their religion like Hindu, Christin etc…

        BUT…I said BUT…They dont have any right to call themselves Muslims anymore… As Our Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) are the Last Prophet. And the person who dont believe in this point is Kafir. So all Ahmaddiya are pure Kafirs.

        Hopefully you and others like you understand it.

  • Shafqat khan

    Leken mobilink pe tou ye website open ho raha he phir kis tarah ban howa?

    • Blocked for me on GPRS/Mobilink Linkdotnet DSL.

      And my opinion about this block is, it doesn’t matter Ahmdiya or whatever.
      But these Ahmdiya were trying to feed their things(which are against Islam and which say that Islam is wrong) in Pakistanis.

      They have delivered cards in Faisalabad, Samanabad at colleges gates too with heading “Massiah is here You don’t know it, join the force, details at web” blah blah.

    • Furqan

      Blocked on Warid!

  • Hmm .. I just tried website and its opening fine !!

    PTA blocks websites but other service providers not followed them… PTA should imposed their decision to all the ISP’s.

    • Riaz

      Agreed.

  • Waqar

    Is site ko block kr k acha hi kiya hai.

    • Yahya

      This website has the best search engine for Quran with translation in multiple languages. It has the beautiful teachings and strong arguments in favor of Islam that even the opponents of Islam have to agree with.

      It is shameful that PTA has blocked it under the influence of the Mulla.

      There are thousands of websites spreading hatred in the name of islam. PTA is blind to see them and has blocked the one website spreading Love and Peace, the true teachings of Islam.

      • John Rana

        Anything which ridicules Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)or any religious group or personality shall be blocked.

        Religions are not made to be mocked and one should respect others feelings.

        If someone did this thing to Israelis or even discussed The Holocaust and got blocked then everyone would be supporting them, “yeah, they did right blah blah.” but when it comes to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) or Islam everyone is like “Why the hell did they do that, freedom of speech is everyone’s right, blah blah”

        “Azadi-e-Afkar se hai un ki tabahi,
        Rakhtay nahi jo fikr-o-tadabbur ka saleeqa”

      • Saeed

        Are u Ahmaddi/Kadiyani?

      • Rafay

        Were you Sure that the translation they provided were absolutely correct and they did not do any amendments in the translations. They must have done it to mold its nature according to thier own likings.

        • Zain

          Have you ever read the translations, Mr Rafay? You are making an assumptions based on what?

          If you don’t have the time or courage to read the facts then its best not to say anything like this.

          • Waqar

            There is a sattelite channel. Which is spreading ahmidya religion. Simple Muslims dont even realize their teachings. So this site should be remained banned. I am sure the person above is surelly Qadiyani.

            • Ali

              +1 @waqar

  • Monis

    still working

  • Aizaz

    This is the worst step taken by PTA. Blocking other religions’ websites is unethical. According to universal law (Pakistan’s constition) every person is free to follow his own religious teachings . Blocking Ahmadiya websites is actually religious racism.
    P.S. I am not qadiyani/ahmadiya but i just dont support religious discrimination.

    • shoaib

      blasphemy against the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) can’t be tolerated my friend, kindly go through the laws of EU and America that on blasphemy against Hazrat Isa A.S they give severe punishments. So this is other side of story. I do agree with Azeem Ullah that on site which has been blocked proper intimation should be shown.

      PS: i am not a religious activist.
      FrndsZone.com

      • BibiZindaHaiMargarAwamMargai

        I really wish you people to stop being apologists.
        Look at you “I am not a religious activist”, “Im not a fundamentalist”, “Please dont kill, please do deny me visa to your countries” ” I am only a covenient muslim” yap yap yap..

        Its about time you wear your beliefs & live n die by them.

      • Shahid Saleem

        — kindly go through the laws of EU and America that on blasphemy against Hazrat Isa A.S they give severe punishments

        Look if you are going to make a statement, please don’t lie to support your viewpoint. Yes, there are laws against “hate crimes” but blasphemy is not a hate crime.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_the_United_States

        The last person convicted of blasphemy in the US was in 1928. Think about that for a minute.

        On the European side:

        UK, they threw out the blasphemy law in 2008.
        Denmark, not used the law since 1938
        Other countries have the law but in the past decade each country has prosecuted just one or two people (max). What they instead prosecute on is hate speech, not blasphemy.

        • shoaib

          Read the EU Law, it states “Blasphemy”, so do not write on wrong facts.

          ——————-

          Doc. 11296
          8 June 2007

          Blasphemy, religious insults and hate speech against persons on grounds of their religion

          Report
          Committee on Culture, Science and Education
          Rapporteur: Mrs Sinikka Hurskainen, Finland, Socialist Group

          Summary

          The Assembly emphasises the need for greater understanding and tolerance among individuals of different religions and affirms that freedom of expression is a fundamental cornerstone of democracy. A distinction should be drawn between condemning insults (religious or other) and related acts and criminalising them. In view of the democratic principle of the separation of church and state, blasphemy laws should be reviewed by member governments and parliaments.

          The Assembly considers that national law should penalise expressions about religious matters only when such expressions intentionally and severely disturb public order and call for public violence or call for a person or a group of persons to be subjected to hatred, discrimination or violence.

          A. Draft recommendation

          1. The Parliamentary Assembly recalls its Resolution 1510 (2006) on freedom of expression and respect for religious beliefs and affirms that freedom of expression is a fundamental cornerstone of democracy. This freedom is not only applicable to expressions that are favourably received or regarded as inoffensive, but also to those that may shock, offend or disturb the state or any sector of population within the limits of Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Any democratic society must permit open debate on matters relating to religion and beliefs.

          2. The Assembly acknowledges the importance of respect for, and understanding of, cultural and religious diversity in Europe and throughout the world and recognises the need for ongoing dialogue. Respect and understanding can help avoid frictions within society and between individuals. Every human being should be respected, independently of religious beliefs.

          3. A distinction should be drawn between condemning religious insults and related acts and sanctioning them. The state is responsible for determining what should count as criminal offences.

          4. The Assembly welcomes the Preliminary Report adopted on 16-17 March 2007 by the Venice Commission on this subject and agrees with the Venice Commission that in a democratic society, religious groups must tolerate, as must other groups, critical public statements and debate about their activities, teachings and beliefs, provided that such criticism does not amount to intentional and gratuitous insult and does not constitute incitement to disturb the public peace or to discriminate against adherents of a particular religion. Public debate, dialogue and improved communication skills of religious groups and the media should be used in order to lower sensitivity when it exceeds reasonable levels.

          5. Recalling its Recommendation 1720 (2005) on education and religion, the Assembly emphasises the need for greater understanding and tolerance among individuals of different religions. Where people with different religions know more about the religion and religious sensitivities of each other, religious insults are less likely to occur out of ignorance.

          6. In this context, the Assembly welcomes the initiative of the United Nations to set up a new body under the theme “Alliance of Civilisations” to study and support contacts between Muslim and so-called Western societies, but feels that such an initiative should be enlarged to other religions and non-religious groups.

          7. The Assembly recalls the relevant case-law on freedom of expression under Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights developed by the European Court of Human Rights. Whereas there is little scope for restrictions on political speech or on the debate of questions of public interest, the Court accepts a wider margin of appreciation locally when regulating freedom of expression in relation to matters liable to offend intimate personal moral convictions or religion. What is likely to cause substantial offence to persons of a particular religious persuasion will vary significantly from time to time and from place to place.

          8. The Assembly believes, however, that a common European approach is necessary with regard to restrictions of freedom of expression under Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, because freedom of expression is of vital importance for any democratic society. In accordance with the Statute of the Council of Europe, common recognition of democratic values is the basis for membership with the Council of Europe.

          9. The Assembly is aware that, in the past, national law and practice concerning blasphemy and other religious offences often reflected the dominant position of particular religions in individual states. In view of the greater diversity of religious beliefs in Europe and the democratic principle of the separation of state and religion, blasphemy laws should be reviewed by member states and parliaments.

          10. The Assembly notes that under the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, signatory parties are obliged to condemn discrimination and take effective measures against it. All member states signatory to this convention must ensure that members of a particular religion are neither privileged nor disadvantaged under blasphemy laws and related offences.

          11. The Assembly reaffirms that hate speech against persons, whether on religious grounds or otherwise, should be penalised by law in accordance with the General Policy Recommendation No. 7 on national legislation to combat racism and racial discrimination produced by the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance. For speech to qualify as hate speech in this sense, it is necessary that it is directed against a person or a specific group of persons. National law should penalise statements that call for a person or a group of persons to be subjected to hatred, discrimination or violence on grounds of their religion.

          12. The Assembly emphasises that freedom of religion as protected by Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights also protects religions in their establishing values for their followers. While religions are free to penalise in a religious sense any religious offences, such penalties must not threaten the life, physical integrity, liberty or property of an individual. In this context, the Assembly recalls its Resolution 1535 (2007) on threats to the lives and freedom of expression of journalists and strongly condemns the death threats issued by Muslim leaders against journalists and writers. Member states have the obligation to protect individuals against religious penalties which threaten the right to life and the right to liberty and security of a person under Articles 2 and 5 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

          13. The Assembly notes that member states have the obligation under Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights to protect freedom of religion including the freedom to manifest one’s religion. This requires protection against disturbances by others of such manifestation.

          14. The Assembly considers that, as far as it is necessary in a democratic society in accordance with Article 10, paragraph 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights, national law should only penalise expressions about religious matters which intentionally and severely disturb public order and call for public violence.

          15. It calls on national parliaments to initiate legislative action and scrutiny regarding the national implementation of this Recommendation.

          16. The Assembly recommends that the Committee of Ministers:

          16.1. take note of Resolution 1510 (2006) on freedom of expression and respect for religious beliefs together with this Recommendation and forward both texts to the relevant national ministries and authorities;

          16.2. ensure that national law and practice:

          16.2.1. permit open debate on matters relating to religion and beliefs and do not privilege a particular religion in this respect, which would be incompatible with Articles 10 and 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights;

          16.2.2. penalise statements that call for a person or a group of persons to be subjected to hatred, discrimination or violence on grounds of their religion as on any other grounds;

          16.2.3. prohibit acts which intentionally and severely disturb the public order and call for public violence by references to religious matters, as far as it is necessary in a democratic society in accordance with Article 10, paragraph 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights;

          16.3. instruct its competent Steering Committee to draw up practical guidelines for national ministries of justice intended to facilitate the implementation of the recommendations contained in paragraph 16.2 above;

          16.4. instruct its competent Steering Committee to draw up practical guidelines for national ministries of education intended to raise understanding and tolerance among students of different religions;

          16.5. initiate through their national ministries of foreign affairs work at the level of the United Nations in order to ensure that:

          16.5.1. national law and practice of signatory states of the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination do not privilege persons with a particular religion, which would be incompatible with this Convention;

          16.5.2. the work of the Alliance of Civilizations avoids the stereotype of a so-called “Western” culture, widens its scope to other world religions and promotes more open debates between different religious groups and with non-religious groups;

          16.6. condemn on behalf of their governments any death threats and incitements to violence by religious leaders and groups issued against persons for having exercised their right to freedom of expression about religious matters.

          B. Explanatory memorandum by Mrs Sinikka Hurskainen, rapporteur

          Introduction

          1. The Committee on Culture, Science and Education appointed me rapporteur on blasphemy, religious insults and hate speech against persons on grounds of their religion at its meeting on 4 October 2005, subsequent to a Motion tabled earlier by myself and other colleagues (Doc. 10623).

          2. Following the current affairs debate on freedom of expression and respect for religious beliefs held by the Standing Committee of the Assembly in Paris on 17 March 2006 against the background of the Danish cartoons controversy, I was also appointed rapporteur on that report. Due to the greater urgency of that mandate, I submitted a report on that subject leading to Resolution 1510 (2006) on freedom of expression and respect for religious beliefs, which was adopted by the Assembly on 28 June 2006.

          3. In Resolution 1510 (2006), paragraph 18, the Assembly resolved “to revert to this issue on the basis of a report on legislation relating to blasphemy, religious insults and hate speech against persons on grounds of their religion, after taking stock of the different approaches in Europe, including the application of the European Convention on Human Rights, the reports and recommendations of the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) and of the European Commission for Democracy through Law (Venice Commission) and the reports of the Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights.”

          4. While the earlier report advocated the protection of freedom of religion alongside that of freedom of expression, the current report focuses on the legal balancing of freedom of expression and respect for religious beliefs with regard to blasphemy, religious insults and hate speech against persons on grounds of their religion.

          Definitions

          5. Blasphemy can be defined as the offence of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for god and, by extension, toward anything considered sacred. Several member states have legal provisions which protect religion and religious communities. The study commissioned by the Venice Commission (CDL-FR(2007)003 ) and its Preliminary Report (CDL-AD(2007)006) show the wide variety of current laws in Europe which may, for example, be referred to nationally as blasphemy, insult, libel, slander, defamation or denigration.

          6. Religious insults can be understood as insults to a religion which are subject to religious rather than legal penalties. A religious community may consider statements as insulting and thus a violation of its religious norms. This is part of freedom of religion as guaranteed by Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights. The religious penalty typically consists of a religious stigma: for instance, a person may be called a sinner, be excluded from a religious community, or be threatened with spiritual consequences such as being excluded from heaven. Physical punishment or death threats by religious leaders, which have been made for example against Salman Rushdie, can obviously not be tolerated in a democratic society built on the rule of law.

          7. The Council of Europe has worked on hate speech. The Committee of Ministers adopted Recommendation (97) 20 on hate speech, which defines it as “covering all forms of expression which spread, incite, promote or justify racial hatred, xenophobia, antisemitism or other forms of hatred based on intolerance, including: intolerance expressed by aggressive nationalism and ethnocentrism, discrimination and hostility against minorities, migrants and people of immigrant origin”.

          8. In its General Policy Recommendation No. 7 on national legislation to combat racism and racial discrimination, the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) produced the recommendation to penalise inter alia the following acts when committed intentionally: (a) public incitement to violence, hatred or discrimination, (b) public insults and defamation or (c) threats against a person or a grouping of persons on the grounds of their race, colour, language, religion, nationality, or national or ethnic origin; and (d) the public expression, with a racist aim, of an ideology which claims the superiority of, or which depreciates or denigrates, a grouping of persons on the grounds of their race, colour, language, religion, nationality, or national or ethnic origin.

          9. The decisive element for ECRI is the racist intention of such acts, i.e. the intention to express inferiority of another person or a group of persons or to exclude or distance them from society due to their differences. Hate speech is always directed against persons or a group of persons, but not against a religion or ideas, philosophies, a political party, state organs, a state or nation, or mankind as such.

          Preparatory and other related work

          10. On 13 April 2006, the Committee held an exchange of views with the Juris Consult of the European Court of Human Rights, Mr Vincent Berger, on the case-law of the Court under Articles 9 (freedom of religion) and 10 (freedom of expression) of the European Convention on Human Rights. The presented summary of the case-law is available as document AS/Cult (2006) 26.

          11. The Committee on Culture, Science and Education held a hearing on freedom of expression and respect for religious beliefs in Paris on 18 May 2006. The record of this hearing is available as document AS/Cult (2006) 28 rev.

          12. On 27 February 2007, the Committee organised a colloquy on questions related to state and religion, which also briefly addressed blasphemy legislation. The summary of the colloquy is reproduced in document AS/Cult (2007) 09.

          13. At the request of the Assembly Secretariat, the Venice Commission of the Council of Europe dealt with blasphemy and related offences under national legislation. In its Preliminary Report adopted on 16-17 March 2007 (CDL-AD(2007)006), the Venice Commission concluded that in a democratic society, religious groups must tolerate, as other groups must, critical public statements and debate about their activities, teachings and beliefs, provided that such criticism does not amount to intentional and gratuitous insult and does not constitute incitement to disturb the public peace or to discriminate against adherents of a particular religion. It furthermore concluded that public debates, dialogue and improved communication skills of both religious groups and the media should be used in order to lower the threshold of sensitivity when it exceeds reasonable levels. The Venice Commission is to continue working on this subject. The Committee on Culture, Science and Education will naturally follow this work.

          National legal approaches to blasphemy legislation in some Council of Europe member states (this section is based on material from Caslon Analytics and the Asia-Europe Foundation)

          United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland

          14. English common law features an offence of blasphemy, although there are recurrent suggestions that it should be superseded by protection under anti-vilification statutes.

          15. Protection relates to the established Church of England rather than all religious beliefs and organisations. It is characterised as encompassing any publication that contains any contemptuous, reviling, scurrilous or ludicrous matter relating to God, Jesus Christ or the Bible, or the formularies of the Church of England as by law established. It is not blasphemous to speak or publish opinions hostile to the Christian religion, or to deny the existence of God, if the publication is couched in decent and temperate language. The test to be applied is as to the manner in which the doctrines are advocated and not to the substance of the doctrines themselves.

          16. Ridicule has long been an acceptable means of focusing attention upon a particular aspect of religious practice or dogma which its opponents regard as offending against the wider interests of society. In that context use or abuse of insults may well be a legitimate means of expressing a point of view upon the matter. A similar stance was taken in the 2003 report of the House of Lords Select Committee on Religious Offences. Rowan Atkinson commented in 2005 that “For telling a good and incisive religious joke, you should be praised. For telling a bad one, you should be ridiculed and reviled. The idea that you could be prosecuted for the telling of either is quite fantastic”.

          17. In Scotland the “uttering of profanities against God or the Holy Scriptures in a scoffing manner out of a reproachful disposition” is a common law offence. There have been no recent convictions (the last reported prosecution for blasphemy was in 1843) and as in England some religious leaders have suggested that special protection is not required. Uncertainty about the scope for prosecution and conviction has arguably deterred some publication.

          18. Article 40.6(1)i of the 1922 Constitution of the Republic of Ireland provides that “publication or utterance” of “blasphemous matter” is an offence punishable in accordance with law, with Article 44 stating that “The State acknowledges that the homage of public worship is due to Almighty God. It shall hold His Name in reverence, and shall respect and honour religion”.

          19. The Constitution does not define blasphemy, although standard reference works characterise it as the crime which consists of indecent and offensive attacks on Christianity, or the Scriptures, or sacred persons or objects calculated to outrage the feelings of the community. The Constitution declares that the publication or utterance of blasphemous matter is an offence which shall be punishable in accordance with law. The mere denial of Christian teaching is not sufficient to constitute the offence.

          20. Section 13.1 of the Defamation Act 1961, provides that “Every person who composes, prints or publishes any blasphemous … libel shall, on conviction thereof on indictment, be liable to a fine not exceeding five hundred pounds or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to both such fine and imprisonment or to penal servitude for a term not exceeding seven years”.

          21. Under section 13.1(a) the court may make an order for seizure and detention of all copies of the libel in the possession of the person or another person named in evidence on oath. In pursuance of such an order, a member of the Police (Garda Siochana) may enter if necessary by force and search buildings for copies of the libel.

          22. The Republic of Ireland’s Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act 1989 prohibits publication of material designed to stir up “hatred”, including hatred against a group on account of religious affiliation.

          23. The 1991 Law Reform Commission of Ireland consultation paper On The Crime of Libel suggested that “there is no place for the offence of blasphemous libel in a society which respects freedom of speech”. Because blasphemy as an offence could not be abolished without a constitutional referendum the Commission recommended creation of a new statutory offence of blasphemous libel, which would cover matter “the sole effect of which is likely to cause outrage to a substantial number of adherents concerning a matter or matters held sacred” by a religion.

          France

          24. French legislation on blasphemy was expunged during the Revolution, reinstated under the Restoration and again removed during the late 1830s. There is no current law explicitly forbidding blasphemy.

          25. Article 283 of the former Penal Law for example prohibited exhibition of a film contraire aux bonnes moeurs (ie contrary to good morals). In 1988 several groups accordingly sought a ban on Martin Scorsese’s The Last Temptation of Christ. In rejecting that application the court noted that the right to respect for beliefs should not interfere in an unjustified manner with artistic creativity. The decision was upheld by the Court of Appeal, which however ordered that all advertisements for Scorsese’s film should indicate that it was based on a novel rather than the Gospel.

          26. In 2005 the General Alliance against Racism & for the Respect of French & Christian Identity was unsuccessful in legal action against Liberation over a cartoon of a naked Jesus wearing nothing but a condom. The Alliance argued that newspaper had offended all Christians and “injured their right to practice their religion”. The court characterised the portrayal as “crude” but said it did not contravene any laws.

          27. In March 2007 a Paris court dismissed prosecution brought against the newspaper “Charlie Hebdo” by Muslim organisations for re-printing the Danish cartoons.

          Germany and Austria

          28. Germany featured prosecutions of ‘disturbers of the peace’ such as artist Georg Grosz under the 1871 national criminal code, which identified blasphemy as a crime with a three year prison sentence. Artist Franz Herzfeld, was sentenced in 1895 to 12 months in prison. The same moral panic during that year saw playwright Oscar Panizza imprisoned in Bavaria for a year over his play Das Liebeskonzil. The European Court of Human Rights in 1994 upheld an Austrian court decision of 1986 banning a film based on the play.

          29. The current German criminal law emphasises protection of public order, with some latitude in interpretation by lower courts, and protection for artistic expression.

          30. Updating of the federal penal code in 1969 saw deletion of references to protection of God and his institutions, with the offence of blasphemy being replaced by a broader offence of disturbing the peace through ridicule of faiths (Bekenntnisse) and ideological groups (Weltanschauungsvereinigungen).

          31. Paragraph 166 of the code concerns the ridicule of faiths, religious societies and ideological groups. Whoever publicly or by means of spreading written material insults religious or world view in a manner that could reasonably be deemed able to disturb the public peace, is to be punished by up to three years in prison or a fine. Whoever publicly or by means of spreading written material ridicules a domestic church, religious society or ideological group, its facilities or customs in a manner deemed able to disturb the public peace, is to be punished similarly.

          32. The “manner and content” of that insult must be such that an objective onlooker could reasonably assume that the ridicule would disturb the peace of those who share the insulted belief, with the offender intending (or being aware) that the ridicule constituted an offence.

          33. In practice prosecution has tended to involve stress and expense for defendants but has not resulted in significant convictions. In 1981 the Cologne Penal Court of Appeal in a case initiated by Cardinal Meissner held that an abortion-rights caricature “did not in all circumstances show hostility against Christians” although parodying Mary and Joseph. Four years later the Karlsruhe Court of Appeal ruled that a sarcastic article which regarding the Last Supper was not an insult.

          34. The Berliner Tageszeitung was acquitted in 1987 after prosecution by the Roman Catholic bishop of Berlin for a satirical article. A 1988 case in Bochum featured the broader ruling that a leaflet, although insulting about the Vatican, was unlikely to disturb the peace. More recent cases have involved unsuccessful prosecution of parodies of Pope John Paul II. In 2006 former prisoner ‘Manfred van H’ received a suspended sentence of a year in prison and 300 hours of community service after printing ‘Koran, der Heilige Qur’än’ on toilet paper and distributing it to the media and mosques.

          35. Prosecution has been more active in Austria. Articles 188 and 189 of the criminal code prohibit insult giving rise to justifiable annoyance. The legislation does not appear to have been applied to what one jurist characterised as “minority faiths”. Recent litigation includes the 1986 decision by a court to ban production of a film based on Panizza’s Das Liebeskonzil.

          The Netherlands and Belgium

          36. Article 147 of the Netherlands Penal Code – reportedly introduced in 1932 to curb a communist newspaper that advocated banning Christmas – identifies “scornful” blasphemy as a criminal offence. The offence is restricted to expression regarding the Christian deity and does not extend to Christian saints and other revered religious figures or non-Christian deities.

          37. There is an expectation that the person making the expression must have had a “scornful” (smalend) intention: although it might be objectively foreseeable that people would be aggrieved there is no offence if the expression was without malicious intent.

          38. That intent requirement was confirmed in the last major blasphemy case in the Netherlands, regarding Nader tot U [Nearer to Thee], a novel in which Gerard van het Reve depicted God as a donkey and then further outraged the faithful by discussing intercourse with the beast. Reve was acquitted in 1968 after the prosecution failed to prove that his intent was to be scornful.

          39. The Foundation for Dutch Roman Catholics reportedly initiated but did not proceed with legal action against the Dutch Animal Rights Organisation in 2002 over a “Merry Christmas – don’t be wild about it!” poster that featured the Virgin Mary holding a bleeding rabbit, reflecting the appearance of baked rabbit on Dutch menus as a Christmas Dinner treat.

          40. Belgium does not criminalise blasphemy as such. Article 144 of the Penal Code identifies a restricted offence of religious insult, involving those who offend the objects of religion in places of religious worship or at public religious celebrations. That protection is inapplicable to offences outside the context of a religious celebration or a place of worship.

          41. However, other parts of the Code have been applied to works defaming religion or that offend public morals (eg articles 383-386). The Court of Appeal of Ghent ruled in 1988 that artists had violated Article 383 by displaying 14 large Stations of the Cross – including a tumescent Christ – in the heart of Ghent.

          42. The Court noted that public display in the historic centre meant that a large public would inevitably encounter the paintings without consent. If viewing was consensual the offense to morals would be less serious and courts of appeal in Mons and Brussels during the 1990s accordingly refused to ban particular works. The Mons Court of Appeal noted that although a majority of individuals may find certain images offensive other adults should be permitted to view them if they have expressed their willingness to do so.

          Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland

          43. Prohibition of blasphemy under Section 140 of the Danish Penal Code has not been used since 1938.

          44. The code also features an offence of expressions that threaten, deride or degrade on the grounds of race, colour, national or ethnic origin, belief or sexual orientation. However, that provision does not appear to have been used against statements offensive to religion, with works by artist Jens Jørgen Thorsen (including the inevitable tumescent Jesus) recently gaining attention but without criminal proceedings.

          45. The Danish government commented in 2006 that satirical depictions of the Prophet Muhammad in the Jyllands-Posten newspaper were protected as free speech; civil action by critics of the depictions was unsuccessful.

          46. Section 142 of the Norwegian Penal Code provides for punishment for any person who publicly insults or in an offensive manner shows contempt for any religious creed …or for the doctrines or worship of any religious community lawfully existing here.

          47. That provision has not been applied by the courts since the acquittal of poet Arnulf Øverland (1889-1968) in 1936 after a lecture titled ‘Christianity – the tenth plague’. Islamic community leaders initiated a suit against the publisher of The Satanic Verses but did not proceed, supposedly in recognition that success was unlikely.

          48. In Sweden a general crime of blasphemy was abolished in 1949, with abolition of a narrower offence of religious insult in 1970. It had been used in prosecution of a range of offenders, for example fin-de-siecle socialist Hjalmar Branting, imprisoned in 1888. Branting was instrumental in establishment of the Social Democratic Party during the following year, was its first Member of Parliament from 1896, Prime Minister from 1920 and recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1921.

          49. Finland retains a general offence of blasphemy under chapter 17 of its penal code. The last major prosecutions were in 1966 – with conviction of Hannu Salama for his 1964 novel Juhannustanssit – and 1969 over the ‘Pig Messiah’ painting by artist Harro Koskinen.

          50. The novel, which went through several printings during the course of litigation in the Helsinki Municipal Court and the Court of Appeals, was suppressed – a copy was supposedly publicly burnt – before being re-released in a censored version in 1966. Salama was briefly imprisoned but pardoned by President Kekkonen in 1968; the director of the publishing company was fined and both were ordered to “surrender all economic benefit derived from the crime”. The novel was republished in its original form in 1990, having been translated into Swedish, Norwegian, German, Danish and Polish.

          51. Provisions against blasphemy were updated in 1999 and have been periodically used since that time to supplement other law. The revised provisions in the Penal Code clearly protect what is sacred to all religious communities covered by the law on freedom of religion. In 2005, for example, the Tampere District Court fined a man under telecommunications and blasphemy law for recurrently ‘bombing’ a religious chat room with messages, including some of a blasphemous character (eg associating religious practices in a pejorative manner with sexual activities). The offender was additionally ordered to compensate the chat room operator and had his computer confiscated.

          Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece

          52. In Spain the crime of blasphemy (reinstated in the 1930s after overthrow of the Republic) was abolished as part of post-Franco reforms in 1988. Portugal’s legislation was changed in the 1990s.

          53. Spain’s Constitutional Court has however ruled that freedom of expression under Article 20 of the Constitution is circumscribed by restrictions for the protection of the “rights of others” – interpreted as an identified individual directly affected by an offensive expression – or other constitutionally protected interests. Commentators have suggested that obscenity or another broad offence to morals, particularly expression sighted by minors on a non-restricted basis (eg on public view rather than to consumers choosing to visit a gallery or a cinema) would provide a mechanism for restricting blasphemous content.

          54. As with Portugal there appears to be no major case law regarding offences against the Roman Catholic Church, other Christian communities or other religious faiths.

          55. Articles 402 through 406 of the Italian criminal code, reflecting the 1920s concordat with the Vatican, prohibit “offence to religion”, including offence to religion during a satirical or other performance, even where the offending performance was objectively aimed at arousing laughter or amusement. A recent prosecution involved the 2000 film Totò che visse due volte.

          56. There is uncertainty whether Italian laws against insult to religion – and the application of the legislation – relate only to Roman Catholicism. Prosecutions over the past thirty years – and administrative action such as hacking by Italian police of an anti-Vatican site in 2005 – appear to have been bundled with restrictions on obscenity as offences against public morals. Article 724 of the criminal code covers the minor offence of “words insulting to religion” (bestemmia).

          57. Greece’s blasphemy regime allows prosecution for creation, display or trade in work that “insults public sentiment” or “offends people’s religious sentiments”, with offence being restricted to Christian faiths.

          58. Recent instances have included the prosecution of leading curator Christos Ioakimidis and conviction in absentia of Austrian author Gerhard Haderer for depicting Christ as a hippy in his comic book The Life of Jesus. Haderer was given a six months suspended sentence in 2005.

          Former communist countries

          59. Member states from central and eastern Europe inherited no laws of blasphemy from the period of communism which did not recognise religion. There is however some more recent legislation that is relevant. In Latvia, Article 4, paragraph 1 of the Law on Religious Organisations prohibits insult of feelings or instigation of dissension on religious basis. Section 196 of the Polish Criminal Code prohibits speech which “offends” religious faith, which is punishable by fines or imprisonment for up to three years.

          Venice Commission

          60. The Venice Commission has begun an analysis on national legislation in Europe.

          61. Two paragraphs of the preliminary report adopted in March 2007 give a useful indication of the position that is likely to emerge:

          « The Commission recalls at the outset that in a democratic society religious groups must tolerate, as other groups must, critical public statements and debate about their activities, teachings and beliefs, provided that such criticism does not amount to intentional and gratuitous insult and does not constitute incitement to disturb the public peace or to discriminate against adherents of a particular religion. “ (para. 40 CDL-AD (2007) 006)

          « The sensitivities of the religious groups must be taken into due account by the national authorities when they are to decide whether or not a restriction to the freedom of expression is to be imposed and implemented. Modern societies, however, must not become hostage to these sensitivities, not even when they manifest across the world and in places other than those where the incident giving rise to them happened. Open discussion of controversial issues is a vital element of democracy. Public debates, dialogue and improved communication skills of both religious groups and the media should be used in order to lower the threshold of sensitivity when it exceeds reasonable levels. Education leading to better understanding of the convictions of others and to tolerance should also be seen as an essential tool in this respect. The ultimate goal is of course that everyone fully enjoys the right to freedom of expression and, on equal footing, the right to respect for one’s religious beliefs, but always in full respect of the same rights of others.”(para 46)

          62. The position taken in the present report is to go slightly further and questions whether any sort of insult (gratuitous or not) and any religious sensitivity should be legally sanctioned.

          Assembly Resolution 1510 (2006)

          63. Assembly Resolution 1510 (2006) on freedom of expression and respect for religious beliefs has already laid down a few guiding principles that are relevant:

          • Freedom of thought and freedom of expression in a democratic society must permit open debate on matters relating to religion and beliefs.

          • Critical dispute, satire, humour and artistic expression should enjoy a wider degree of freedom, and recourse to exaggeration should not be seen as provocation.

          • Laws punishing blasphemy and criticism of religious practices and dogmas have often had a negative impact on scientific and social progress.

          • In a democratic society, religious communities may defend themselves against criticism or ridicule in accordance with human rights norms.

          • Freedom of expression as protected under Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights should not be further restricted to meet increasing sensitivities of religious groups.

          • Attacks on individuals on grounds of their religion or race cannot be permitted, but blasphemy laws should not be used to curtail freedom of expression and thought.

          • Hate speech against any religious group is not compatible with the fundamental rights and freedoms guaranteed by the European Convention on Human Rights.

          64. The Explanatory Memorandum to Resolution 1510 (2006) on freedom of expression and respect for religious beliefs contains many issues of relevance to this report (See Doc. 10970).

          Other multilateral work

          65. At the level of the United Nations, the concept of “defamation of religions” was recently used in a report of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (A/HRC/4/50 of 1 March 2007) and a Resolution by the UN Human Rights Council (Resolution 4/9 of 30 March 2007 on combating defamations of religions). This resolution was appropriately criticised by many human rights and media organisations. Such a concept clearly violates freedom of expression and cannot therefore be accepted.

          66. Under Article 4 of the UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, state parties “shall declare an offence punishable by law all dissemination of ideas based on racial superiority or hatred, incitement to racial discrimination, as well as all acts of violence or incitement to such acts against any race or group of persons of another colour or ethnic origin”. Religious insults or “defamation of religions” are not to be penalised under UN standards.

          67. However, it should be noted that some member states of the Council of Europe have criminal legislation punishing blasphemy. In some countries the principle of separation between religion and state is applied and religions are interest groups as any other groups. States should therefore refrain from extending legal protection to religions and withdraw instead special protection for religion altogether.

          68. Arguing in favour of freedom of expression, this report should not be understood in any sense as condoning insulting expressions in a religious context. We wish to defend the principle of freedom of expression. We should also wish to uphold such notions as decency and respect for the holding of religious beliefs, and underline the importance of the religious dimension in intercultural dialogue.

          * * *

          Reporting Committee: Committee on Culture, Science and Education

          Reference to Committee: Doc. 10623, Reference No. 3122 of 1 September 2005

          Draft Recommendation adopted by the Committee on 31 May 2007 with one abstention

          Members of the Committee: Mr Jacques Legendre (Chairman), Baroness Hooper, Mr Wolfgang Wodarg, Mrs Anne Brasseur, (Vice-Chairpersons), Mr Hans Ager, Mr Toomas Alatalu, Mr. Kornél Almássy, Mr Lars Barfoed, Mr Rony Bargetze, Mr Lars Bartos, Mrs Marie-Louise Bemelmans-Videc (Alternate: Mr Dees), Mr Radu Mircea Berceanu, Mr Levan Berdzenishvili, Mrs Oksana Bilozir, Mrs Maria Luisia Boccia (Alternate: Mr Stefano Morselli), Mrs Margherita Boniver, Mr Ioannis Bougas, Mr Osman Coşkunoğlu, Mr Vlad Cubreacov, Mr Ivica Dačić, Mrs Maria Damanaki, Mr Joseph Debono Grech, Mr Stepan Demirchyan, Mr Ferdinand Devinski, Mrs Åse Gunhild Woie Duesund, Mr Detlef Dzembritzki, Mrs Anke Eymer, Mr Relu Fenechiu, Mrs Blanca Fernández-Capel, Mrs Maria Emelina Fernández-Soriano, Mr Axel Fischer, Mr José Freire Antunes, Mr Eamon Gilmore, Mr Stefan Glǎvan, Mr Luc Goutry, Mr Vladimir Grachev, Mr Andreas Gross, Mr Jean-Pol Henry, Mr Rafael Huseynov, Mr Fazail Ibrahimli, Mrs Halide İncekara, Mrs Evguenia Jivkova, Mr Morgan Johansson, Mrs Dagny Jónsdóttir, Mr Ali Rashid Khalil, Mr József Kozma, Mr Jean-Pierre Kucheida, Mr Markku Laukkanen, Mr Guy Lengagne, Mrs Jagoda Majska-Martinčević, Mr Tomasz Markowski, Mr Andrew McIntosh, Mr Ivan Melnikov (Alternate; Mr Alexander Fomenko), Mrs Maria Manuela Melo, Mrs Assunta Meloni, Mr Paskal Milo, Mrs Christine Muttonen, Mrs Miroslava Nĕmcová, Mr Edward O’Hara (Alternate: Mr Robert Walter), Mr Kent Olsson, Mr Andrey Pantev, Mrs Antigoni Pericleous Papadopoulos, Mr Azis Pollozhani, Mrs Majda Potrata, Mr Dušan Proroković, Mr Lluis Maria de Puig (Alternate: Mrs María Josefa Porteiro), Mr Zbigniew Rau (Alternate: Mr Zbigniew Girzynski), Mrs Anta Rugāte, Mr André Schneider, Mr Urs Schweitzer, Mr Vitaliy Shybko, Mrs Geraldine Smith, Mrs Albertina Soliani, Mr Yury Solonin, Mr Christophe Spiliotis-Saquet (Alternate: Mr Bernard Marquet), Mr Valeriy Sudarenkov, Mr Petro Symonenko, Mr Mehmet Tekelioğlu, Mr Ed van Thijn, Mr Piotr Wach, Mr Emanuelis Zingeris

        • a khan

          @shahid

          Pakistan is a democracy. Laws here will reflect beliefs, desires and wishes of people living here. Just like US doesnt consult pakistani constitution to make their laws, we shouldnt do vice versa.

          • Shhhid Salem

            Thanks, but you should direct your comment to the person I was replying to, who pointed to the OTHER countries to say they have anti blasphemy laws. If we are to follow our constitution, we shouldn’t use other countries (and lies about them) to justify our actions.

    • Zahid

      Dear Aizaz, In Pakistan, preaching activities of qadiyanis are restrained by Ordinance No. XX of 1984 called the Anti Islamic Activities of Quadiani Group, Lahori Group and Ahmadis (Prohibition and Punishment) Ordinance 1984 that was promulgated on 26 April 1984 (relevant provisions produced in attached word file).

      RELEVANT PAKISTAN LEGISLATURE AND THE BACKGROUND:

       Constitution was amendment vide Constitution (Second Amendment) Act, 1974 (Act XLIVX of 1974) whereby following were declared as non-Muslims:
      1. Non-believers in absolute and unqualified finality of Prophet
      2. Claiming to be a prophet in any sense of the word or any description whatsoever after Muhammad (PBUH)
      3. Recognizing such claimants as prophet or religious reformer

      All groups of qadiyanis were covered by this definition and therefore declared non-Muslim and a minority.

       Despite constitutional provisions as above, qadiyanis / ahmadis persisted in calling them as “Muslims” and their faith as “Islam”. They remained impetuously apathetic and insensitive to perturbation to the Muslims of Pakistan. However, their violation of the above Constitutional provisions and of continueing to defile the epithets, descriptions and titles like Ummul-Momineen (Mother of the Muslims), Ahle-Bait (Members of the family of the Holy Prophet PBUH), Sahaba (Companions), Khulafa-e-Rashideen (the rightful Caliphs), Ameerul-Momineen, Khalifatul Momineen, Khalifatul-Muslimeen (epithets used generally for the Muslim rulers and for rightful caliphs) which are exclusively for Muslims and had never been used by non-Muslims, for the wife, members of the family, companions and successors respectively of Mirza Ghulam ahmad qadiyani. For this reason, use od derogatory remarks in respect of Holy personages was made a criminal offence punishable under Section 298A of Pakistan Penal Code (added by Ordinance No. XLIV of 1980) which is reproduced below in orange font:

      “298-A
      Use of derogatory remarks, etc. in respect of holy personages. Whoever by words, either spoken or written or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of any wife (Ummul Mumineen), or members of the family (Ahlebait), or of Holy Prophet (Peace be upon Him), or any of the righteous Caliphs (Khulafa-e-Rashideen) or companions (Sahaba) of Holy Prophet (Peace be upon Him) shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend for three years, or with fine, or with both.”

       Section 298-A was couched in general terms and was not made applicable to ahmadis / qadiyanis only. On account of agitation of Muslimsover the persistence of ahmadis, the Ordinance No. XX of 1984 called the Anti Islamic Activities of Quadiani Group, Lahori Group and Ahmadis (Prohibition and Punishment) Ordinance 1984 was promulgated on 26 April 1984 which amended certain provisions of Pakistan Penal Code (Act XLV of 1860), the Code of Criminal Procedures, 1898 (Act V of 1898) and the Press and Publications Ordinance, 1963. Sections 298-B and 298-C introduced in Pakistan Penal Code 1860 are as under in orange font:

      “298-B
      Misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles, etc. reserved for certain holy personages or places.
      1) Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who called themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name) who by words ether spoken or written or by visible representation;
      a. refers to or addresses, any person, other than a Caliph or companion of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him), as ‘Ameerul Mumineen’, ‘Khalifat-ul-Mumineen’, ‘Khalifat-ul-Muslimeen’, ‘Sahabi’ or ‘Razi-Allah-Anho’;
      b. refers to, or addresses, any person other than a wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him), as ‘Umm-ul-Mumineen’;
      c. refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a member of the family (Ahle-bait) of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him), as ‘Ahlebait’; or
      d. refers to, or names, or calls, his place of worship as ‘Masjid’,
      shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.

      2) Any person of the Quadiani group or Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name) who by words ether spoken or written or by visible representation, refers to the mode or form of call to prayers followed by his faith as ‘Azan’, or recites Azan as used by the Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.
      298-C
      Person of Quadiani group etc. calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith.
      Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who called themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name), who, directly or indirectly, poses himself as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.”

       So, Sections 298-B and 298-C (quoted above) made it a clear criminal offence for an ahmadi to;
      a. call or pose himself directly or indirectly as a Muslim or refer to his faith as Islam;
      b. preach or propagate his faith or to invite others to accept his faith or in any manner whatsoever to outrage the religious feelings of Muslims;
      c. call people to prayer by reciting Azan or to refer to his mode or form of call to prayer as Azan;
      d. refer or call his place of worship as Masjid;
      e. refer any person other than a Caliph or companion of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as Ameerul Mumineen, Khalifat-ul-Mumineen, Khalifat-ul-Muslimeen, Sahabi or Razi-Allah-Anho etc, any person other than the wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as Ummul-Mumineen and any person other than a member of the family of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as Ahle-bait.

    • Ali

      Good decision but too late. PTCL must block all other qadyani sites. we don’t need any justification for being as muslim, we are recognized as Muslim by our faith, thoughts and words. kindly go and read the pakistan’s constitution (blasphemy law in pakistan) and then say anything.

    • Ali

      @Zahid Are you really a Muslim? or so called qadiyani……

    • Saeed

      Sharam karo qadiyani tu hamaray NABI kay kitnay against hai aur ap tu bus BHAI Pakistan is only for ISLAM and should be banned all qadiyani websites.

      Bhai agar koe ap kay Mother, Father ko ghaleez GHALI dain tu kia bolo gay ap?

      • ABRAR

        Talk with proof Mr Saeed. Hum Prophet Muhammad SAW ke tum logon say zada izat krtay hain, tm logon ke trh bidaton or shirk main mubtilah nai hain…

        Agr koi baat krni hoti hay to source be deya kro, Molviyon ke oot patang baton main anay ka koi faida nai, dunya b kharab or Akhrat b!

        Allah tmy or tm jaiso koon seedhay rasty pr chalnay ke tofeeq ata frmai. Ameen.

    • Dont know why PTCL blocked http://www.khilafah.com/
      it is true islamic site…

    • Umair Malik

      I totally and all of you should agree with shoaib that blasphemy of any kind against Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) is not tolerated.
      Good work by PTA should ban all these kind of sites.

      Ke MUHAMMAD say wafa tu nay tu HUM teray hain
      ye jahan cheez hai kiya Loh o Kalam teray hain

      • Waqar

        Qadyinai Use word “Islam” and Translate Teachings of Quran in their own meanings. Thats Y We Muslims Hate them.

  • Great move by pta. Well done.

  • atif

    First of all excellent move by the PTA if it has actually banned the ahmedi website. secondly do not call them ahmadi muslim because they are NOT MUSLIMS. third this means farahnaz isphani is also ahmadi which means his hubby is also one of them which means they BOTH are a danger to Muslims and Pak land. I so wish and pray to ALLAH that such Govt comes now which not only bans these leeches but also disown them as Pakistan national.
    Keep up the good work PTA.

    • Shahid Saleem

      — third this means farahnaz isphani is also ahmadi which means his hubby is also one of them which means they BOTH are a danger to Muslims and Pak land.

      Your reasoning is the dumbest I’ve heard. I suppose if a lawyer works for a man who is accused of blasphemy, then the lawyer must also be a blasphemer by your logic???

      Remember this: if you are wrong about her being a non-Muslim, then you will pay gravely for it in the next life.

      • paki

        qadiyani isn’t just non-muslim, they are etiher Murtid or Zandeek.and according to Sharia they should be killed.

        • ahmadnowaz

          Islam is a religion of piece kills all those who question its peacefulness.

        • Shahid Saleem

          We were discussing the logic behind atif’s idiotic reasoning, not the status of the people.

          Also, do keep in mind that anyone who converts to Qadiayanism is different from a child who was born to Qadiayanism. Do you understand the difference, or would you like to start bombing babies now?

          • Ahmed

            For your poor knowledge Mr. Shahid, every child is born as Muslim, not as Qadiayani, according to Quran.Kamila decides everything if Qadianis are Muslims or not…simple it is, nothing complicated.

            • Shahid Saleem

              You cannot read, can you? I did not say BORN, I said BORN TO. And until they get to a certain age, they cannot decide if they want to stay as they are or decide to practice Islam. They do not know the world.

              But be sure to tell any of that to the people who actually go and bomb children.

      • Umer

        All Ahmadi/Qadiani/Lahori Group are Non-Muslims as per Pakistani Law and if any body has objection then he/she must file a petition in court to change the Law and till then please dont pretend yourself as Muslim and misguide other people..

  • Mustafa

    Every nation has to regulate the materials which are being accessed.. there are thousands of sites spreading racism, discrimation against other communities and hatred against Muslims so PTA and relevant ministries have to keep watchful eyes to ban such sites and prove that the nation is awake to defend its spirit and values…

  • amin

    well done. nice attempt

  • Zahid

    In Pakistan, preaching activities of qadiyanis are restrained by Ordinance No. XX of 1984 called the Anti Islamic Activities of Quadiani Group, Lahori Group and Ahmadis (Prohibition and Punishment) Ordinance 1984 that was promulgated on 26 April 1984 (relevant provisions produced below).

    RELEVANT PAKISTAN LEGISLATURE AND THE BACKGROUND:

     Constitution was amendment vide Constitution (Second Amendment) Act, 1974 (Act XLIVX of 1974) whereby following were declared as non-Muslims:
    1. Non-believers in absolute and unqualified finality of Prophet
    2. Claiming to be a prophet in any sense of the word or any description whatsoever after Muhammad (PBUH)
    3. Recognizing such claimants as prophet or religious reformer

    All groups of qadiyanis were covered by this definition and therefore declared non-Muslim and a minority.

     Despite constitutional provisions as above, qadiyanis / ahmadis persisted in calling them as “Muslims” and their faith as “Islam”. They remained impetuously apathetic and insensitive to perturbation to the Muslims of Pakistan. However, their violation of the above Constitutional provisions and of continueing to defile the epithets, descriptions and titles like Ummul-Momineen (Mother of the Muslims), Ahle-Bait (Members of the family of the Holy Prophet PBUH), Sahaba (Companions), Khulafa-e-Rashideen (the rightful Caliphs), Ameerul-Momineen, Khalifatul Momineen, Khalifatul-Muslimeen (epithets used generally for the Muslim rulers and for rightful caliphs) which are exclusively for Muslims and had never been used by non-Muslims, for the wife, members of the family, companions and successors respectively of Mirza Ghulam ahmad qadiyani. For this reason, use od derogatory remarks in respect of Holy personages was made a criminal offence punishable under Section 298A of Pakistan Penal Code (added by Ordinance No. XLIV of 1980) which is reproduced below in orange font:

    “298-A
    Use of derogatory remarks, etc. in respect of holy personages. Whoever by words, either spoken or written or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of any wife (Ummul Mumineen), or members of the family (Ahlebait), or of Holy Prophet (Peace be upon Him), or any of the righteous Caliphs (Khulafa-e-Rashideen) or companions (Sahaba) of Holy Prophet (Peace be upon Him) shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend for three years, or with fine, or with both.”

     Section 298-A was couched in general terms and was not made applicable to ahmadis / qadiyanis only. On account of agitation of Muslimsover the persistence of ahmadis, the Ordinance No. XX of 1984 called the Anti Islamic Activities of Quadiani Group, Lahori Group and Ahmadis (Prohibition and Punishment) Ordinance 1984 was promulgated on 26 April 1984 which amended certain provisions of Pakistan Penal Code (Act XLV of 1860), the Code of Criminal Procedures, 1898 (Act V of 1898) and the Press and Publications Ordinance, 1963. Sections 298-B and 298-C introduced in Pakistan Penal Code 1860 are as under in orange font:

    “298-B
    Misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles, etc. reserved for certain holy personages or places.
    1) Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who called themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name) who by words ether spoken or written or by visible representation;
    a. refers to or addresses, any person, other than a Caliph or companion of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him), as ‘Ameerul Mumineen’, ‘Khalifat-ul-Mumineen’, ‘Khalifat-ul-Muslimeen’, ‘Sahabi’ or ‘Razi-Allah-Anho’;
    b. refers to, or addresses, any person other than a wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him), as ‘Umm-ul-Mumineen’;
    c. refers to, or addresses, any person, other than a member of the family (Ahle-bait) of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him), as ‘Ahlebait’; or
    d. refers to, or names, or calls, his place of worship as ‘Masjid’,
    shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.

    2) Any person of the Quadiani group or Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name) who by words ether spoken or written or by visible representation, refers to the mode or form of call to prayers followed by his faith as ‘Azan’, or recites Azan as used by the Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.
    298-C
    Person of Quadiani group etc. calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith.
    Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who called themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name), who, directly or indirectly, poses himself as a Muslim, or calls, or refers to, his faith as Islam, or preaches or propagates his faith, or invites others to accept his faith, by words either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.”

     So, Sections 298-B and 298-C (quoted above) made it a clear criminal offence for an ahmadi to;
    a. call or pose himself directly or indirectly as a Muslim or refer to his faith as Islam;
    b. preach or propagate his faith or to invite others to accept his faith or in any manner whatsoever to outrage the religious feelings of Muslims;
    c. call people to prayer by reciting Azan or to refer to his mode or form of call to prayer as Azan;
    d. refer or call his place of worship as Masjid;
    e. refer any person other than a Caliph or companion of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as Ameerul Mumineen, Khalifat-ul-Mumineen, Khalifat-ul-Muslimeen, Sahabi or Razi-Allah-Anho etc, any person other than the wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as Ummul-Mumineen and any person other than a member of the family of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as Ahle-bait.

    Hope it clears the cloud, qadiyanis were doing it illegal, as calling their religion as islam, their worship place as mosque or calling them selves as muslims is a law prohibited activity in addition to any preaching.

    • John Rana

      wow. you just cleared everything.
      I think we should tweet these articles of law of Pakistan and should make everyone aware of this just like Ahmedis did to promote their religion.

  • Ahmed

    Lets start the favourite pastime of Pakistanis here…

    Mocking other tribes and proving that our tribe is better than all.

  • Really?

    Censor sucks in any form.

  • Imran

    @Admin, please don’t call Qadyani’s as a muslim.In no way they can be considered as a muslim.
    Unfortunately still this site is working. Such sites must be banned permanentaly in our Country so that such leeches got no chance to play with faith of innocent people.

  • Its still opening with my ISP

  • sham

    ap sb agr muslim ho, to qadyanio ki website ban pe khus hona chahae,

    • Thinkagain

      wow..so here comes the new definition of Muslim!!

      • paki

        sham you are 1000% right

        • ahmadnowaz

          Being Muslim I am feeling shame.. It means my religion is intolerant, stupid, against freedom od speech. No doubt Ahmadiyyat is false n stupid but my religion Islam is more stupid even.

          All religions are stupid n men forged they divide humans, birth sects n insult humanity. Allah never sent any religion, he sent Deen (Deen Islam) n Deen Islam have no laws like apostasy n blasphemy.

          • Ali

            Lame argument!

            • Ahmed

              Because it doesnt agree with your views? You are part of a lame religion then…

          • محمد آصف

            What have you said here? Bakwaas or Some Khaas?

  • Thinkagain

    Wow,no one here will consider the law provided by Holy Quran…
    When Quran says that there is no compulsion in religion and none can say other that He/she is non-Muslim then who are we to devise any law to call someone non-Muslim…!!
    Well, any person with a grain of insight can easily deduce that these sorta actions are not done by the True!!
    If you think you are as good as you say, than why you fear any ‘wrong’ spreading in you???

    • Imran

      I think you must know what is meant by Khatam-e-nabawwat.

      If someone does’nt have faith on Khatam-e-nabawwat how can we consider him a muslim. Do you think that some one beleives Kalam-e-tayyabah “Muhammad-ur-rasul Allah” and does’nt have faith in Khatam-e-nabawwat. Even our LAW says Qadyani’s are non-muslims.

  • KHAWAJA ATTEEQ

    all ahamdi web sites should be banned in pakistan,
    MESSAGE FOR THE ARTICULAR RIGHTER…. listen you stupid fuck according to the act of pakistan ahamdis are not allowed to preach their religion in any form in pakistan, so keep you shit hole close….. lanat hai tum bhe chodon per jo is per etaraz kar rahey ho

    • Ahmed

      Someone’s a** is on fire? :D

      • Sajid

        yours already burnt ?? :D

        • Ahmed

          Nope, but i see two smoking asses now LMAO

          • Usama

            https://www.facebook.com/akshaikhlover

            a powerful punch by Ex-Ahamadi
            ALLAH as bandy ko sahat atay kry aur itni taqat k ya Islam k as azeeeem fitny k baray main mazeeed baten sabaot k sath bta saky

  • MHA

    Don’t call ahmedis as Muslims or used word Islam with ahmadis. Writer of the post should revise it..

  • Ahmad

    tsk tsk tsk ,
    shame on PTA ,
    when you cant beat Ahmadi Muslims in face to face discussions then you start doing such cowardly acts…

    I dont know why you people are so scared of Ahmadis , they are a small group of peaceful people who are peacefully living their lives in Pakistan…

    This article will only spark ridiculous religious discussion against Ahmadi Muslims , nothing else…

    • Saeed

      Looking so called Qadyani.

      Dear First read our ISLAM properly and then read Qadyani books then u can differentiate the difference.

      ***when you cant beat Ahmadi Muslims in face to face discussions.

      Answer: HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH.

      Agar “DAAM” hai tu phr aja Khatam-e-Nabuwat kay han.

      • paki

        +1 saeed .

        • Ali

          Like!

          • Adil

            likesssssssssssssssssssss

      • Farooq

        +1

  • thanks God this website is finnally banned, this web also providing wrong information about Islam i wn a page on facebook “Muslims Are Not Terrorists” where non Muslims shares information from that website and use to abused Muslims and religion Islam, and every time i have to explain that the Ahmadis not belong to Muslims, they are different, now i will share this news and i am sure the more non Muslim will be informed that there is different b/w Ahmadi and Muslims

    • Ali

      plzz qadiyani ko ahmadi na kaha karo ,ye qadiyani apnay aap ko ahmadi bhi loogo ko dhoka deney k liye boltey hain.is ko sirf qadiyani bola karo.

      • Usman

        Boht Aala baat ki tum ne. Aur in ka os qazab k naam k sath bhi Ahmad nehi lagana chahiye. Just say in Mirza Qadiyani.

  • Usama

    I have few question to Qadiyani plz
    Ap ko Nabi apny aap ko Mohamad PBUH k dosra janam bolty han aur bolty han k wo Islam k he upar han jahan pr quran khatam hwa wo os k agay sa apni baat krty han

    Q1) aap logon k han nikha pr nikha hota ha os ki saza kia ha???
    kia wo saza Mohamad PBUH k Islam main ha??

    here is the proof in Qadiyani mazhab main Nikha pr Nikha jyaz ha http://urdu.ahmedi.org/archives/533

    Q2) Quran main kisi jaga mirza Ahamadi ko imam mahdhi ya Isa nahi bola gya, Mohamad SAWS na kabhi ya nahi bola k Hazart Isa (as) wafat pagye han na he quran main as k zekar ha
    mirza bolta tha k main isa hon quran na mera naam nahi rakha tu main jhota hon tu aap bta den k Quran main kis jaga Mirza hamadi ko Hazart Isa bola gya ha???
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=414968501879416&set=a.360944930615107.79673.235522979823970&type=3

    • Musab

      I know you don’t have time to go trough the teachings of Ahmadiyya as can be seen from your comments.

      If you do get the time please visit: http://www.youtube.com/user/RaheHudaArchives1/videos

      This answers many questions that non-ahmadi members asks from us and we are not afraid to answer. If you still have any question in mind, you can talk live on the show. Just give it a try.

      PS: If you are still not convinced after watching ALL the videos, then there’s nothing we can do, except to pray to Allah to show you the right path…

      JzakAllah

    • chona

      respected sir,
      munafiq or bhatkay huay log kisi firay kee taleemat kay akkas naheen hotay….munafiq or kamzoor iman to islam kay awal zamanay main bhi thay…is ka matlab yeh naheen kay jo wo kartay thay wo sach tha…so nikah per nikah is totally wrong …as wrong in our sect as it is in other sects…do not bring lame excuses to make arguments heavier …
      regards to second statement…just read the preceeding 1 page and one page afterwards of this writing and you will see what it means…..!!!!
      if i stop at : la taqrabu salat(meaning nimaz kay qareeb na jao) and do not read next part of ayat illa antum suqara …meaning jub tum neend main ho…then meaning change…same is case with writings or books…siaqosabaq say door sirf bad zan khiyal rah jata hae….read and understand the books…..do not twist facts

      • Usama

        Chona phaly aap apni information sahi kro :)
        neend k nahi bola gya nasahy k bola gya ha :)
        okay just tell me million of timr Mirza Ahmad say he part of Mohamad PBUH then tell me where is did Mohammad sa about it???

        G islam main asi koi saza nahi jis main aap ko Islam sa kharaj krdy unles ap shirk krty ho ya Mohamad SAWS k nabuwat sa nikar krty ho

        But aap k Ahamadi mazhab main hoti ha

        • Khalid Masood

          You talk about Shirk? Shirk to ap log krtay ho, Mazaroon pr jakr, kabroon ko sajday kr k, and many other. kya yeh shirk nai? Our Beloved Prophet Muhammad SAW never gave such teachings, phlay apnay girayban main to jhank kr dkho…Agar apnay ap ko itna he Muslman samjtay ho to phlay khud in shirk baton ko khtm kro, phir ksi k mazhab pr ao.

          Secondly, Mirza saab said the he is a sub-ordinate of Prophet Muhammad SAW, which means that he didn’t bring any NEW divine law (Shareah). See this:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SibqgP697-E

          And if you still want to quote anything, please come up with a proper source! Not made up stories…

          Ahmadies talk with proof and would expect you to do the same…

  • saqib

    The admin doesnot know the single thing about our consitution and keep giving his so called valuable coments in favor of the every third party and against PTA…

    get your self educated man

  • Semak

    Wow thats a great step of PTA.Well done and keep it UP. these websites should be blocked early.

  • paki

    ALLAH tera laakh laakh shukar,AE ALLAH sab ko qadiyanio ki Makrooh sazisho se bacha,Ameen

    • Israr ul haq

      Ay mre Khuda, tamam non-Ahmadi’s ko Haqiqi Islam or Khilafat ko pehchanany ke tofeeq ata frma. Ameen…

  • Mirza Mahmood

    Great this is good act from PTA to Block the qadyani website

    Khatam-e-Nabuwat Zinda Baad

    • Zain

      Its only banned in Pakistan, cuz yahan pr log malwiyoon pr blindly trust krtay hain.

      Khatm-e-nabuwat walon say kho itnay guts hain to poori dunya main bund kr k dkhain. But I can guarantee they can’t cuz unki Pakistan k ilawa kaheen chalti jo nai hay. Log jantay hain maliviyon ko or inkay napak azaim ko b!

      Ahmadiyyat Zindabad!

      • paki

        Marney se phelay tooba karo warna Jahanum main jao gay.

      • Usman

        Yes Mirza Mahmood, KHTAM E NABUWAT ZINDABAD. Sayed Ataullah Shah Bukhari and all other Ulema and people who worked for Tahafuz e Khatm e Nabuwat Zindabad. Aur zain kakay, look agar baqi countries mein website ban nehi hoi tu tumhe galiyan pori dunya sy hi parti hain aur parti rahay gi Insha’Allah jab tak Khatm e Nabuwat per eeman nehi lay agogy. Allah tumhe sedha rasta dikhaye aur tum Islam mein wapas ajoo. Aur tmharay Mirza Masroor ka yeh haal hai kal abhi recently USA gya huwa tanga un k talway chatnay k hamery sath Pakistan mein ziyadti ho rahi hai. Wah g wah. Himayat bhi kin ki lainay gya hai America waloun ki :D

        Khatam-e-Nabuwat Zinda Baad!

        • Zain

          @Usman: Apki zehniyat ke akasi hori hay, wse be ap jse so called Muslims sy our kya expect kea jaskta hay, jinki koi izzat nai krta….hahah

          Allah ka shukr hay k ahmadiyon ke hr mulk main bohat izaat hay or iska ik saboot he kafi hay that our Beloved Fifth Khalifa addressed to the members of Congress (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iu9VKncw5I)

          I bet they won’t even talk to any of your mullah members of Khatm-e-Nabuwat cuz they know what Mullah’s are!

          As for MR Paki, ap mre jahanum main janay ke zada fikr na krain, apnay girayban main jhankay. Cuz Kiyamat walay din koi Molvi tmri madad ko nai aiga! Apna hisab khudi dna hoga…ai smj?

          • Usama

            wohe tuuuuuuuu aap na khud sabat krdya k aap log Islam k nahi aap lo tu west ki padawar ho :) Mirza qadyani ko pora pora support hasal tha British Gov ka

            • zain

              See…apki choti zehniyat ka ab kya kea jaskta hay…Aj kal k dor main DIPLOMATIC approach rkhni prti hay. Ksi sy milnay ka yeh mtlb nai k unsay bheeg mangnay gai ho, ap zara Foreign Affair ka mutalia krain, khudi smj ajaigi.

              As for the British support, this video is enough for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeWvaghDgRw

              And to support this video, see what you’re Mullah has to say about Mirza Sahib of Qadian…

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZfV_SbvLTE&feature=player_detailpage#t=108s

              Listen carefully to this video “Isai Missionaries say munazra kea or SHIKAST de” – If according to you, Mirza sahib was ‘west ke paidawar’ then he wouldn’t have done that! :)

              Hope this helps you follow the right path of Islam!

              • Moon

                Haan sehi kaha ksi sy milnay ka yeh mtlb nai k unsay bheeg mangnay gai ho balkay un ko talway chtanay gy ho, jesy tumhara Mirza Malka Victoria k talway cht’ta tha aur osy kehta tha k tu zameen ka noor hai aur mein asman ka noor hun (Astaghfirullah)

              • omer

                kia ghulam mirza qadiyani toilet main mara tha?

                • zain

                  @Moon
                  Ab apki gandi zehniyat ka to kuch nai kea jaskta…Agr koi aisi baat hay to source mention kro, darto kyn ho? Dalail sy baat krna seekho…

                  @Omer
                  No. See this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJUGSEj96BE

            • moon

              hahaha, sehi kaha aur yar yeh ko itni mushqil baat nehi jo sabit karni pary. Simple c baat hai yeh qadiyanat bar-sagheer Pak o Hind mein angraiz ka lagaya huwa poda hai. sb ko pata hai iss baat ka aur even qadiyno ko bhi pata hoga k inko bananay wala kon hai, definitely angraiz hokamat jis ne malka victoria k ashiq k sar per hath rakha aur os k through yeh kufar pehlaya.

  • i think PTA has done a good job bcz ahmadies r non muslim acording to islanm and constitution of pakistan just to add they say that MUHAMMAD(PBUH) was not last prophet but we hav last so they say this on every level which i think in islamic country shld not be allowd good take by pta well done

  • Khalid Rashid

    Thank you for spreading the word of Islam Ahmadiyya… Now more and more people will know the true teachings of Islam.

    Special thanks to @Musab for giving easy access to the site. Islam Ahmadiyyat Zindabad!

  • umair

    site is not blocked yet…

  • Ammar Saeed

    Working with PTCL..

  • atif

    no issue yet another attempt of hiding the real facts of islam but ALLAH IS WITH US NO ONE CAN STOP AHMADDIYA MUSLIMS TO SPREAD THE REAL TEACHINGS OF ISLAM..

    • paki

      QADIYANI KAFIR hain agar marney se phelay tooba nahi ki tu Jahanum main jai gay

  • everyone have right to preach to his religion or whatever he feels true. God gives us this freedom. Let the people accept n reject but for God sake stop this censorship, Studying something never harm world. I myself have studied Ahmadiyyat n reject it on principals grounds but I always raise voice for them, they must be given the rights like other human beings, they are not KEERA MAKORA.

    Hadith books have given birth to Ahmadiyyat, Ahmadiyyat have no roots in Quran. Reject Hadith, Ahmadiyyat will automatically becomes false.

  • Its not blocked…. Opening on PTCL Broadband.

  • Khalid Masood

    or kitni koshishain kro gay true islam ko chupanay ke? Its been over 100 years of Khilafat, and Jamaat has seen tremendous growth and now spreads across 127 countries in the world!

    This clearly shows that Allah is with us and will keep helping us, no matter how hard you and your Mullahs try.

    Islam Ahmadiyyat Zindabad!

    • Ali

      PAISA BOLTA HAI…!

      100 saaloun ki financing sy 127 mulk yarghamal? Phir bhe maza nehin aya!

      • Khalid Masood

        Mza to apko ahe rha hay, iss jalan ke our kya waja hay??!!

        Khilafat say mehroom loag aisi he batain kr sktay hain, jinhoon nay Hazrat Isa ko Asman pr zinda bithaya howa hay. Naozobillah!

        Wo din be bohat kareeb hay, jab Pakistan main be Ahmadiyya ka dor dora hoga. InshAllah, you just wait and see…

        Hmray Beloved Prophet Muhammad SAW ko be loag jado gar or najanay kya kya kehtay thay (Naozobillah). Now history is repeating itself! Ahmadiyya is facing fierce resistance from Mullah’s but still this Jamat is flourishing (Alhamdulillah!) and you ppl can’t swallow the reality (Pity!).

        • Ali

          LOL! I give a damn and have nothing to do with such sick mindset stuff. Just pity upon the ill thinking of those who consider such a person as their prophet whose death was miserable as quoted by his [very] own son in a self-made book!

          • Khalid Masood

            Its a shame that people talk sh*t without giving any proof. If you have read it, please share it with the rest of us, but accusing someone based on mere stories is not going to help you…

            See this:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJUGSEj96BE

            and if you wish to seek any answers, see these videos
            http://www.youtube.com/rahehudaarchives1

            If you don’t feel like watching these and come up with all sorts of excuses then there’s nothing much I can do about you and people like you…

            Allah apko True Islam or Khilafat ko samajnay or maneney ke tofeeq ata frmai. Ameen…

            • WhyThey

              ALLAH TA’ALA aisi artificial khilafat sy mehfooz he rakhay haq-parastoun ko. Yaar kiya ek he ghalat belif pay qaaim ho aap log. Kiya ISLAM mein kam dallalien hein kay Hazrat Muhammad (sal-lal-la-ho-aliyae-hai-wa-aa-lay-he-wa-sallam) he aakhri Rasool hein? Kya Khatam-e-Nubawat ki mohr ni thi? Sb tha, aur is sab ko jan nay k baad bhe agar bnda kahay k mujhey apnay beliefs sy berh kar is dunya ki zindagi Non-Muslims kay tukroun pay pal kar jeena zada azeez hai to phr osy aisi he do takay ki zindagi mubarak ho!

              • Ali

                Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad [S.A.W] used the word “Khatam-un-Nabiyeen” for Himself and then qualified the meaning of this word by adding that “there is no Prophet after me.” Most certainly He knew that there will be some sick minded people in his ummah who will make all sorts of far flung distorted meanings.

            • Khalid i know personally many qadiyanis…
              and they posses all view, what I should say bacho wala dallail, Kufriya batain and alot .
              I ve gone through the above given video all the argues and answers were like “” Ja yaar apna kam kr bs”” koi base ni koi tuk ni…
              Allah aap ko hidayat da….
              Jo koi Naboowat/ ya risalat / Masseh Mo’ood hone ka dawa kara us ki koi baat ghalat yaa jhoot ni honi chahiya… M I right??
              1- Book “Majmooa e ishtiharaat (jild 2 page 705-706 ishtihar # 285)” Mirza wrote to Sna ullah (R.A)”aap k parcho ma meri takzeeb ka silsala jaari ha, aap hamesha muja mardood, kazab, dajjal or mufsid kehta ha, ma na aap sa bohat dukh uthaya aap mera dawa ko ghalat kehta ha , jo ma daikhta hu k ma haq k phailana par maamoor hu or aap dunia ko meri pervi sa rokta ha, agar ma waqae aisa kazab mufsid or dajjal hu jaisa aap yaad kerta ha to ma aap ki zindagi ma HALAQ ho jaao ga kisi marz sa haiza ya taaon sa, ku k ma janta hu mufsid or kazab ki boht umar ni hoti or wo zillat k saath apni zindagi ma hi halak ho jata ha, agar ma ni hu to aap sunatullah k mukazbeen ki saza sa ni bacha ga, Agar meri zindagi ma bimariya aap par na aae to ma khuda ki taraf sa ni, Or ma dua kerta hu k agar ma allah ki tarf sa ni to molvi ki jamat ko meri mot sa khush kr da agar ”

              And he died with great Zalalat before Molvi Sanaullah…

              Mirza Ghulam died of Cholera on 26th May 1908.
              Died 15th March 1948

              DYING DECLARATION
              “”””When i reached Hazrat Saheb and saw his condition, then he addressed me and said:
              ‘MIR SAHEB. I HAVE DEVELOPED EPIDEMIC CHOLERA’.
              I think After that He (MIRZA) did not say anything clear till he died next day at 10 am.”
              (Hayat-e-Nasir, p.14)”””””

              agar ye baat sunna k bawajood aap ko smj ni aati ….
              ALLAH sa dua ha aap k lia..

              for complete letter View this,
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_GqQcfbv0U

              • Ali

                Yes! And if he had been such a good man then why his death was so pathetic and miserable? A BIG WHY? So its well said that “In the end; evil is destined to lose.”

              • Khalid Masood

                Finally, there’s someone who has the courage to Quote some references and I thank you for that!

                What you have referred above and in the video is actually a Dual Prayer or Mubahila which had been undertaken by Mirza Sahib and Molvi Sanaullah. Your molvi however, failed to address the backgrounds of this dual prayer OR Mubahila, instead he starts from Majmooa-e-ishtayharat. When infact Molvi sanaullah was challenged in 1897 and later in 1907.

                Please go through this page: https://www.alislam.org/library/links/amritsar.html

                Now the question is did Molvi Sanaullah accepted the mubaliha put forth by Mirza sahib? The answer is NO! If he had, he would have died before Mirza Sahib. If you think he accepted the challenge, then please do share it with me.

                As for your second statement is concerned. The british government at the time had a law that anyone who dies of this disease (i.e Cholera), would go into a state of quaranteen and would bury him right away, without permitting the body to go anywhere else as it could spread epidemic. So when Mirza Sahib died, a certificate was issued and the British Government allowed his body to be transferred from Lahore to Qadiyan, which proves that he did not die of Cholera, but infact diarrhea (which is not an epidemic).

                And for those who mock about the Mirza sahib that he died in an unclean place, were they there to see this? Was any of the Molvi present there who could report the incident? If you got any proof or certificate, please do share it with me.

                You should see these videos:

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCehATYEnwo#

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gei8i5IVzXE

                And there’s are many non-Ahmadie’s who say the Mirza Sahib was too weak to even recite Kalima before his death. So if he was too weak to speak, how can he walk or standup in such weakness? Atleast ulti seedhi baat krnay say phlay khud he soch lea kro…

                Mre hadayat ke to dua magtay ho, apni hadayat k leay be mang lea krain. And please do tell me how Hazrat Isa had reached the 7th sky according to physics? (Assuming he travelled at the speed of light…)

                • Ali

                  Ummm…I have nothing to craft about. This was merely told by his own son in his book kay how his ‘abba’ died! I wonder being follower of that very sect, you haven’t gone through!

                  • Khalid Masood

                    Hayat-e-Nasir is not by his son, but father in law. See you people don’t even know the facts and all you can do is make up stories!

                    And there is no mention about that he died in an unclean place, bcz he was too weak to stand or talk. And I have already answered thoroughly on the question of Cholera or Diarrhea.

                    BTW I am still waiting for your response on how Hazrat Isa had reached the 7th sky according to physics? and when is he coming back? Because all the prophecies have been fulfilled a century ago as foretold by Prophet Muhammad SAW, but unfortunately you people are still waiting…

  • Ali

    All such noob sites should be blocked and PTA should continue to do so. Everyone knows who’s right and who’s wrong. I wonder why people love to forget that a day of judgement is there. Pity upon the sect that poses to be a Muslim one and is secretly financed and backed up by the Non-Muslims. YOUTUBE is full of questions that have been asked to qAdiyanis… You better come up with answers of these and then dare to argue.

    Peace Out!

    • Mateen khalid

      Yes, all such noob sites like Facebook and twitter should be banned, where people waste time day in and day out in the name of socialism!

      But its a shame when these sites do get banned, paki’s start crying like babies

      “Son/Daughter: Mom PTA banned FB/Twitter, my whole life is ruined ::(((( Oh god please unblock facebook/twitter”

      Noooobs…!

  • Ahmadiyyat Zindabad

    Here’s a youtube channel for people like you which answers all your pity Questions. Do take the time to go through it (but I know you won’t dare to go through these videos and will come up with all sorts of excuses). If you have any questions, you can call live. Programme is called Rahe-huda.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RaheHudaArchives1

    We are not afraid to answer any questions, its you who are AFRAID to accept the REALITY!

  • rizi boy

    ok all of u? Wat is the defination of muslim?
    2. If any one read the al imran soraah ayat #144 tarjama,….(for muslims)
    3. How many of u r suni and how many of u wahabi
    4.the boy who used murtad thing if he completeD the tarjama of QURAN…?
    5.if any 1 knws the english the i have a question for him .. Wat is the difference between non_muslim and not muslim?
    If knws then read the pakistani ayeen again
    !

  • Usama

    main samajta hon Mirza Qadiyani ak bemar shaks tha jis ko Schizophrenia ki bemarai thi…..

    Ak ex-qadiyani k apany sabka mazhab k baray main kia khyal ha :)

    https://www.facebook.com/akshaikhlover

    mere kuch valid point k comments mod approve nahi krahy, jo k galat baat ha Hamara pora pora yaqeen imaan ha ka Mohamad SAWS ALLAH k last nabi han thats all

    • My comments b MOD ni ho raha ….
      I discussed with the Valid refrence

      • saqib

        most of the moderators are so called enlightened moderate. not even dare to speak about their religion. may be he is one of them??? who knows….I am not saying mr admin you are….but if you dare to post a controversial topic then have the guts to bear it….

  • Rizwan

    All qadayani websites open at ptcl,example
    http://alislam.org,i request to PTA please block them all,i appriciate if you do this its a good step but as i remember 8 years ago PTCl blocked thier websites but these site working after some days,as a muslim i want to kill all qadayani’s.

  • In logon ki samaj pe Allah ny pardah daal diya hy . Ye kabhi nai samjengay. Ulta hamain samjayengay hahahaha. Bewaquf log qadyani.

    • Nida Afsar

      Jee apnay to Hazrat Isa ko upar asman pr ZINDA bhaij kr bohaaat akalmandi ke hay! Muslmanon ny Thori physics pri hoti to aj yeh din na dkhny prtay…

      BTW wo kab aray hain asman say or unki umar kya hogi – 2000 years? =D

      hahaha

      • umsan

        @ nida afsar asmaan pe 1 din 1 thousand saal ka hota hai shayad aap ko pata nahi is hi liye jab Hazrat Esa alehay salam zameen pe ai gay tu un ki age zydanahi ho gi.

        aap maarney se phelay tooba karo aur Islam kobol karo warnakiamat k din sakht azaab ho ga

        • Nida Afsar

          Oh God, aur sun lo, bhai bat krtay ho to source be dyny ke zehmat kea kro. Challo koi nai, apko tofeeq nai howi to main daydti hun:

          http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110503180542AAKJA3D

          Quoting from above “Qur’an [32:5]
          He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count.

          Paradise and Hell are both much bigger and much more massive than Earth (but still much smaller than God’s Throne). The theory of general relativity says that time passes slower near an object more massive than Earth (clocks run slower in stronger gravitational fields). So according to general relativity, time should pass in Paradise/Hell much slower than on Earth. It is stated in the Quran that 1 day in Paradise/Hell measures a 1000 years on Earth”

          Aur mujy pehlay yeh to smjho k Asman tk ik physical body ko ponchny main ktna time lgta hay? If you agree with Physics, then it should take at least some million years to reach the farthest part of the galaxy, as stated by brother Ali Zafar.

          So unko wahan tk ponchtay hwy b one million ke age to hogai ge na, ya nai? Asman pr rehnay ke baat to baad main ati hay, phlay unhay Asman tk to poncho! or phir wapsi ka safar, another million years! right?

          Aur ap mre Mrnay ka itna ghum na krain, ap apnay girayban main be jhankay or akal or argument say baat kea krain, not just mere stories/myths – cuz kiyamat walay din kisi molvi nay apki sifarish nai krni…lol..

          • @Admin

            @ Admin alizafar ka comment censor karo plzz.

            • Ali Zafar

              hahah…see you can’t even defend your stance and have asked the admin to delete my comment.

              I am more certain that ever, you people have no logic, no arguments. When you can’t prove anything logically, you either start giving “Galiyan” to Ahmadi’es or in this case delete someone’s comments/views!

              We’ll then there’s no point in talking with you people, when you’ve already accepted defeat.

              PS: Admin, atleast I wasn’t expecting from you. Its your duty to be unbiased. I have every right to ask Questions from non-Ahmadi’s just the way they ask Questions from me.

              Islam Ahmadiyyat Zindabad!

              • You have studied Physics ….Have you ever noticed about meta physics????
                where physics ends Meta physics starts and Science is still not able to answer….
                As the speed increases time gets slower ??
                on Mairaj Nabi karim (SAWW)went to palestines from there on the 7th sky and came back time was not merely in seconds…!!!!!
                then how you can talk about Hazrat Essa A.S
                @ the Time of FJJAR He(AS)will appear on the Minaar of a masjid in shaam…

                Ma na to time b btaya ha jo k hamari hadees sa sabit ha….

                • khalid

                  +1 surmad

                  • Ali

                    Surmad Bhai leave them! Why to waste time for a useless and noob discussion? You know you’ll get tired by arguing again and again n they will not! Know why; “Paisa Bolta hai Paisa!” Whole of the world knows this sect is being financed by Non-Muslims! Jab apki jaib mein 10 rupay ki bajaye 1000 rupay ka note dala jaye ga, apka imaan to kharab ho ga na! Ye sect sab inhi he “Paisoun kay Pujaarioun” ki ek paidawaar hai!

                    P.S Thanks; but no thanks. Peace Out!

                    • Nida Afsar

                      Why are you not moderating my comment???

  • Good job. Keep blocking such sites.

  • great , PTA

  • Abdul Khan

    This is the worst step taken by PTA or PTCL.

  • Asif

    This is very good action from PTA. PTA must blocked all qadyani web sites.
    wese tow ye forum nahi hay en khabeson ko jawab dene ka phir bhe ye kay Qadyani tow kafiron say bhe badtar hay! Aur in par to pabandi hay k ye apnay aap ko muslim keh he nahi saktay!
    Baki rahe en khabeson kay galat nazrariat tow ab kia kahe! yah en sb nay ajeb comments kiye hwe hay! Har baar manazray mein mou ke khae hay phr bhe bagaroto kow sharam nahi atee. Youtube per dekh saktay hay. In khabeson kay khilaf tahreek khatme-nubuwat ka sath dijye.
    akhir main in ka bara khabees mirza jo bathroom main apne he gilazat main margya tha; us he kay anjam say kuch seekh lay ye is kay man-nay walay!!
    Allah hum sb Musalmano ka Hami-o-Nasir ho aur is Qadyaniat kay fitan say hamain mehfooz farmaye,
    Ameen

  • Nida Afsar

    Jab insan k pass dalail na ho to wo kuch aisi he batain krta hay jse apny ke.

    Ik be source dny ke himmat nai hay? Apnay aqaid pr be nzar dal kr dkho, Hazrat Isa Asman pr our Hmray Pyaary Nabi, Muhammad SAW zameen main dafan hain?

    Kya yeh Prophet Muhammad SAW k shan k munafi nai hay? I failed to understand and I bet you can’t prove it yourself, cuz your Mullah’s never taught you this, expect giving “Galliyan” to Ahmadi’s. Jb dalail na hon to insaan yhi krta hay!

    This shows apki kitni achi trbiyat hwi hay, jis Nabi nay itnay dard or dukh utha kr b ksi ka bura na chaha, jo rehmatullil Almeen tha, usnay to kabi ksi ko bura bhalla tk na kha, pr afsoos aj so-called uskay mananay, kitni ghandi zuban ka istaimal krtay hain or phir b kehtay hain hum Prohphet Muhammad SAW say pyar krtay hain. Yeh hay pyar, pr baat to suntay nai ho Prophet Muhammad ke…huh!

    • Asif

      to Nida Afser:

      Sab say phele rahe baat daleel ke; tow zahir hay k ye forum aisa nahi k yaha daleel de jae; ha main app ko books k reference day sakta ho jo pata nahi aap parhe gee ya nahi.

      Ye jo baat app nay kahe hay hazrat Essa aur Hazrat Muhammad Sallahoalaewasal kay makaam ke; tow Hazrat Essa Muhammad Sallahoalaewasal kay Ummate ban kar aaegay to Muhammad Sallahoalaewasal ka maqaam zada he hwa; for example kisi class room main agar koi student speech kar raha ho aur us ka teacher samnay auidance main betha sun raha ho tow phir bhe ustad ustad he rehta hay wo student us ustad say bara nahi hojata.
      akhir main tarbiyat ke baat to us zamanay m bhe kazaab e nubawat ke saza wohe hay jo aaj! yani un mardodo khabaeso ko jahanm wasil kar dya jae. isi tarah qadayanio ko bhe jahanam wasil kar dena chahye.

      • AAp kis dalil ki baat kerte ho
        jab k aap apni books 1 baar khud perh lo to sharam sa hi doob marain ga….

    • Nida just a min
      Hazarat Essa AS asman par utha lia gaye…

      1- unho na Nabi e karim k ummati hone ki dua ki thi
      2- unha katal karna ka plan tha.
      3- dajjal ki mot hazrat essa AS k hatho ha
      4- Hazrat ESSA AS bhi zameen ma hi Aram farmaae ga.
      “” Har zee rooh na mot ka zaiqa Chakhna ha (quran)
      hazrat Essa As fot ni hua …!!
      unha wapis aa k kooch kerna ha…!!!

    • Khurram

      I am totally agreeing with Ms. Nida about the inappropriate behavior and the uncivilized language which being used here, that is why I said before that this might be the one of the biggest lesson to Mr. Atta.
      Secondly, what Quran told us about Hazrat Issa AS that “wa ma qatalu-hu wa ma salabu-hu”. Now everyone has its own interpretations about this, There is no direct hadith available to interpret this ayat and what is the correct one that Allah knows better.
      @Ms. Nida. If we carefully see the life of Mr. Mirza (please bear in mind that I am not talking about his character) and read the relevant hadiths of hazrat Issa AS’s coming again to this world (unless you believe on them, otherwise believe me no one can proof anything) tells a different stories.
      I am requesting all of you people please stop this nonsense as we are not leading to anywhere.

  • asadtempestian

    Ahmadis:

    please refrain from religious debate on a public forum. shararti logon ko hansi aur thatha krne ka mouqa milta hai is se aur faida boht kam hota hai. This has more harm than doing good & is forbidden. Behas aur munazray se mana farmaya gya hai. If somone needs reference k kab mana kia gya to he may contact me at my yahoo id by simply adding atyahoo.com with my above name.

  • Ahmed

    West should ban all muslim websites in their countries too then beacuse it doesnt agree with their religions then?

    You all are a bunch of desert monkeys. Go blow your asses somewhere!

  • asadtempestian

    Many thanks to the poster, admin & all propakistani team for being unbiased & being kind enough to share this sad news. Allah ta’ala ap sab ko duniya aur akhirat ki kamyabiyan ata farmae. Jazakallah

  • Waqar

    Blocked On world call. And should be blocked on all others

  • Waqar

    AnyOne who posted this post? one Question? Are u a qadiyani? Reply plz?

    • imran

      same thought here, i dont even visit this blog again.

  • Waqar

    Mein bus yeh Kahoo ga Hum pakistan mein Majoity hain so hmara right bnta hai k hum faisla krein k kis site ko block krna hai… Mera Islam per Andhaa yakeen hai. Aur rahy ga. Inshallah.

    Nida? tum ko daleel deny ki zrort hi nahin hai.

    Jb non muslims apny mulk mein Non islamin laws srf is waja se bna skty hain k wahan non muslims hain tu hum bhi Pakistan mein apni marzi se jis site ko chahein ban kr dein? what is the big deal?

  • Asif

    yaha tamam qadyanio ko dalel chahye. awal to hairat hay kay batil log bhe dalel mang rahay hay. anyways is link per qadianio kay baray may aik book kay 6 parts hay; download kee ja sakti hain.

    http://www.nubuwat.org/Library/index.php/authors/maulana-muhammad-yousaf-ludhianvi

    en books main en khabeso key tam tar khabasat ka jawab quran aur sunnat ke roshni main diya gya hay.

    Allah hum sub ka hami-onasir ho aur tamam musalmano ko qadyaniat kay khilaf jihad karnay ke toufeq ata farmae. Ameen

    • Ali

      Leave them pal. Its useless to argue with a financed sect!

      • yeah … ur 100% right….Ali
        Jin ka mazhab start hi 100rs ki thappi (tip) sa start hua un ka to kehna hi kya….

  • Khurram

    @Aamir Attaa…
    Hope till now you have learned not to publish these kind of news here.

  • Ali

    Admin sorry to say, tum kiayamt k din kia ALLAH ko jawab do gay,tum ney yahan qadiyanio k isey comment bhi paas kiye hain jo koi musalman nahi kar sakta.chand paiso k liye ALLAH ko tu naraz nahi karo,daro ALLAH k azzaab se, aur thori sharam karo.

    • waqar

      Waisy eik baat kahu mjy tu yeh post parh kr aisa lga jaisy yeh is site ko ban krny k khilaaf hai. dont know but i felt…

    • MoZ

      Tum apni Kiyamat ki fiker karo. Aur khud sharam karo.

  • 1973 constitution says
    Qadianis are not Muslims and they have no any privilege of preaching their can not say their place for prayer as masjid . So the website was involved in preaching in Pakistan so the constitutionally sites like these should be banned.

    PTA zindabaad

    • waqar

      Yes tight.

      • Ali

        Yes, Hazrat Maulana Maudidi and Bhutto Sahib did the thing very rightly!

  • jOIYYA

    GLAD TO SEE THAT ..I THINK PTA SHOULD ALSO BLOCK FACEBOOK

  • Ali Husnain

    Admin, I have gone through all the comments so far and I would say enough is enough. These Ahmadis each time they argue with us they show proofs and references and what not, while we can not even prove how Prophet Essa is on the seventh sky, there must be something we can tell them. Cant we? I would say pls close this comment section. Its my humble request.

    Peace out everyone!

    • Shahid Saleem

      — while we can not even prove how Prophet Essa is on the seventh sky

      Eh??!! Allah said he was raised up and not crucified. What more do we need? Are you saying Allah’s verse is not enough? I do not understand your point man!

      • of course the verse is much enough…but it does not says raised to where??
        isn’t Allah everywhere?
        isn’t He close to the Jugular vein?
        and moreover, how we come to know that Jesus AS was raised to 2nd sky??
        The Quran does not mention this…

        • Musa

          @[email protected]_Al

          I agree with you on this one

        • Shhhid Salem

          — but it does not says raised to where??

          So? Why does it matter to us? Trying to understand what Allah did and arguing senselessly about His actions — what will you gain from it? Will you gain the answer? UNLIKELY.

          — and moreover, how we come to know that Jesus AS was raised to 2nd sky??

          If the Quran doesn’t mention it, and there is no authentic Hadeeth, then who can say which sky?

          — The Quran does not mention this…

          So leave the subject. You’ll never get a definitive answer, you’ll just be sitting around discussing things about which you have no knowledge. And isn’t there a verse about not doing that?

  • Muneer Ahmad

    Qadyanion tumhen ALLAH gharq karay…jahil log

  • ILAAN

    ASSALAM-O-ALAIKUM
    i am not qadiyani but i am support of qadiyani after all he is Pakistani if he or shia or any one else going again our beloved Prophet or Ashtra Mubashireen or umhatul momenien we are not supporting and we have to strongly awarenessabout islam to peoples of pakistan. but we have to change this mullah system we need some educated MUllah he know arabi farsi english and Modern World requirment we proudly represent as Muslim Scholar…

  • OOook…so the last point is…if you really want to defeat Ahmadiyya…why not you call the Messiah to descend materially along with Angels so that every single see it…even this is the Time fortold by Holy Prophet PBUH in ahadis of coming of Messiah!!
    And surely, on that very moment Ahmadiyya would be defeated…
    But until then, dont use silly and unmeaningful and false arguments to defeat Ahmadiyya…
    You Love Prophet Pbuh but does that mean that he is only yours Prophet!!!and whatever you think of him is correct!!
    He was and is the Prophet for all nations and for everyone…
    And Ahmadies love him surely more than their self but seldom is the true love recognised by this world!!

    • Excellent point raised…

      I bet they don’t even believe the prophecy foretold by our Prophet Muhammad SAW about Messieh, no wonder they are waiting and will surely keep waiting, cuz that Promised Massiah has already arrived a hundred years ago as propheciesed, and they’ve failed to accept it.

      May Allah have mercy on them, esp after such terrible conditions in Pakistan, still they don’t realize it. Pity!

      • Shhhid Salem

        Tell us why you think the particular “messiah” claimed by the Ahmedis is the real one. Please, explain why all the OTHER people who claimed to be Mahdi or messiah are false and why YOUR ONE is the real one.

  • Innocent

    I think PTA should block porn websites instead of religious websites.

  • mujahid waseem

    AnyOne who posted this post? one Question? Are u a qadiyani? Reply plz?

  • mujahid waseem

    AnyOne who posted this post? one Question? Are u a qadiyani? Reply plz? explain please

  • Umer

    Strongly Appreciate…

    Any site that go against Pakistani Law, PTA has right to ban it…not only Ahmadiya but also Porn sites etc which are against Law.

    Change the Law if anyoe has objection or shut up…

    • dear…the law does not says to ban the Ahmadiyya websites!!!!
      plz read the law first!

  • Owais Siddiqui

    alislam.org is working ISP (Transworld Link) still.

  • Real Islam

    Qadiani/Ahmadi are NON MUSLIM. As per constitution of Pakistan. They are not allowed to do any “Tabligh” of their believes or claim themselves as Muslim by any sort of way or action.

    Hence their websites and satellite channels are clearly against the LAW of Islamic Republic of Pakistan. This is not a BANN, the LAW is already in place which is not been excercised by PTA till now and it is really a big Question that why PTA has not yet followed the LAW and why is the delay????

    High Court and Supreme Court to take actions against PTA and PEMRA if LAW of the land is not followed accordingly.

  • Real Islam

    This is not Religious Discussion Topic/Page. It is a Legal Discussion.

    Qadiani do not obey LAW and reject themselves as minority and openly over rule law. Fine don’t accept law, its a large world live somewhere else.

    In Short PTA and PEMRA to follow LAW else all Pakistani Muslims will get it done in a day.

  • Faheem

    PTA….. nice work….

  • Real Islam

    As reference, I am quoting the actual Anti-Qadiani Ordinance/law as below:

    Section 298-B and 298-C to the Paksitan Penal Code (Act XLV of 1860) amendments in the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1898 (Act V of 1898) and West Press and Publications Ordinance, 1963 Sections 298-B and 298-C are as follows:

    298-B

    “Misuse of epithets, descriptions and titles, etc. reserved for certain holy personages or places.

    1) Any person of the Qadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves Ahmadis or by any other name) who by words either spoken or written or by visible representation;

    a) refers to or addresses, any person other than a Caliph or companion of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) as ‘Ameerul Mumineen’, ‘Khalifat-ul -Mumineen’, ‘Khalifat-ul-Muslimeen’, ‘Sahaabi’ or ‘Razi–Allah-Anho’.
    b) Refers to or addresses any person other than a wife of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) as ‘Umm-ul-Mumineen’;
    c) Refers to or addresses any person other than a member of the family (Ahle-bait) of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon Him) as Ahle-bait; or
    d) Refers to or names, or calls his place of worship as ‘Masjid’,

    Shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.

    2) Any person of the Qadiani group or Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name) who by words, either spoken or written or by visible representation, refers to the mode or from of call to prayers followed by his faith as Azan; or recites Azan as used by the Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, and shall also be liable to fine.”

    298-C

    “Person of Qadiani group etc. calling himself a Muslim or preaching or propagating his faith. — Any person of the Qadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves Ahmadis or by any other name) who directly or indirectly poses himself as a Muslim or call or refers to his faith as Islam or preaches or propagates his faith or invites others to accept his faith by words either spoken or written or by visible representations, or any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.

    Jazakallah.

  • Faheem

    Devils went to Court to Prove
    that he is The Most, Cruel & wicked Guy on Earth.

    But he Failed, He Came Out Angrily & Asked,
    Yaar ye “MIRZA QADIANI” kon hai?

  • Real Islam

    PTA has nothing to do with the LAW. Its LAW which should be followed by PTA and PEMRA. Anyone has objection, should change the LAW first then comment.

  • Real Islam

    Checkout Real Face of Qadianiat and their torture in Pakistan with their leader who left them …..

    http://youtu.be/lhfewV-CJFs

  • Real Islam

    Another Punch on Qadianiat:

    Serious of detailed interview by Muslim Scholar Tahir Mansoor Khan who left Qadianiat and Embraced Islam.

    http://youtu.be/6ZZ_xGp4eSw

  • guys keep it upp ,hese qadyanii s are spreading their fasle religion and showing that they r muslims (this is against the Law),keep them buzy ,all these conservation on this site are recorded and they face the law ,many of them are already tracked .latereen mein maray huay [agal bandayk lie kuch [aid log kitnii mehnat kr rahay hain unkoo poori ,agar aqal se horaa kaam le u hidayat mil jaye gii .Allah hum sub koo Hidayat de !

    • Ali Zafar

      Ohh I am so scared!!!!! :D Ahmadies khuda k siwa ksi say nai drtay…

  • QASIM

    Blocking sites will not work..if i know a site is blocked i will must visit and invetigate it.none can convince me to not visit that site.

  • Saif

    well done PTA

  • waqas

    just for record its accessible

  • israr

    ye tu unblock ho chuki ha..

  • hassan

    qadyanee should be banned forever….

  • tanveer habib

    It is good to see pta has banned these sites which were just cursing our islam relegion

  • Real Islam

    Now PEMRA MUST Stop their Satellite Channels disturbing our Islamic Values. The Channels are names as “MTA” Muslim Television Ahmadiyya.

    PEMRA Chairman MUST Act Now as per Law of the Country as Qadiani are not allowed spreading their False Believes in Pakistan and Most Arab Muslim States.

  • asher

    Not blocked , Kindly Block all their channels, websites, forums in PAKISTAN.

  • Bilal

    It is highly unfortunate that PTA has taken such a step. It acts as another blow to the so-called “freedom of speech” in Pakistan. Even more unfortunate is the sight of people applauding this move by PTA.

    Since the people who blog or actively respond to threads can be considered somewhat ‘learned’, I would request the people here to calm down and think about this matter seriously. Just for a moment think logically and rationally rather than putting your emotions into it.

    Almost all of the people here are Muslims so there is no denying the fact that all of them must also have a firm belief on every single word that the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) has said. Let’s see what the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) said about the coming of Imam Mahdi(AS) by taking a look at a Hadith:

    Thawban(R.A) reported that Dear Prophet(SAW) said: “…if you see him then give him your allegiance, even if you have to crawl over ice, because he is the Khalifah of Allah, the Mahdi”
    (The Hadith can be found in Saheeh Bokhari & Saheeh Muslim).

    Now, this establishes the fact(that most would already agree) that in Islam, the advent of Imam Mahdi is of supreme importance as illustrated by the hadith of Prophet Muhammad(SAW).

    History has it that a person during the late 19th century claimed to be the Imam Mahdi as prophesied by Holy Prophet(SAW). The question that arises now is that how many of you here have individually studied his claim? Sincerely ask yourself the question that do you actually know what his exactly his message was? What arguments does he present to prove his status as Imam Mahdi? How does he, if at all, justify all the Quranic and Ahadith references regarding the advent of Imam Mahdi?

    We all here will agree on the supremacy and the ultimate power and authority of Allah Almighty. We all believe that a human is a mortal being with one’s life being in the control of Allah Almighty. So no one here has a control over his own life and no one knows for sure how much further he will live. Consider for a moment that after your death and on the Day of Judgement, Allah Almighty asks you: Did anyone during your lifetime claim to be the Imam Mahdi? Did you study his claim? Now for a moment just imagine that what if the person claiming to be the Imam Mahdi really is the one sent by Allah. What will your answer be for not accepting him as the Imam of time? Would you say that: I did not accept him as the Imam Mahdi because everyone around me considered him to be a liar so I did not feel any need of looking at his claim and the message that he was spreading?

    The point of all this discussion is that only you would be answerable for all the choices and the decisions that you make in this world. Everyone will have to justify all his actions and decisions by himself. So, all I am requesting you people is to do proper research yourself. History shows that whenever a messenger of Allah has been sent to guide the people, most of his nation has turned a deaf ear to him at first. Everyone considered them to be an impostor. We can see that Romans(Jews) were waiting for a Messiah to come. But when he came (as Jesus), Jews refused to accept him as their Messiah and are still waiting for him to come more than 2000 years after his arrival.

    The Pakistani nation Alhamdolillah is a nation that has deep love for religion. The only problem is that almost all of the people believe in what they had been told by others in their religious matters and nearly no one has sought he truth himself. All I am asking you people is to verify this person’s claim by going through his arguments by critically examining them under Quran and Hadith. Then praying to Allah Almighty that He may guide you to the path of truth alone, whichever path it is. We all will agree that “Hidayat” is only granted by the will of Allah Almighty. He grants it to whosoever He pleases.

    I am telling anyone of you to adopt a certain path . All I humbly request is to kindly look at both sides of the picture before making a decision. Satisfy yourself with the choice you make because ultimately you will have to justify any choice you make infront of Allah Almighty.

    Verily only Allah can guide one to the right path.

    And yes, you will certainly know by now that I am an Ahmadi and believe in the Holy Prophet Muhammad(SAW) as Khattam-un-Nabiyeen and Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (AS) as the Imam Mahdi.

    • Bilal

      In the third last para, I meant to say “I am ‘NOT’ telling anyone of you to adopt a certain path”

  • Real Islam

    It has nothing to do with FREEDOM. It is a purely legal matter and PTA is a Government Body.

    If Qadiani do not accept the law then leave our beloved ISLAMIC PAKISTAN.

    Or go to the Court and Challenge the law instead of spreading their Filthy Beliefs on Internet.

    Use your FREEDOM of Speech in Court of LAW.

  • M Ali Khan

    Cannot believe people here are so threatened by a tiny sect that only Pakistan has declared non-Muslim by law and no other country – Muslim or Non-Muslim – has done so.

    Then again, there will come a time when Shias, Barevlis, Sufis etc will also be declared the same, since almost 50% of Sunni Pakistanis actually believe Shias to be non-Muslims according to disturbing Pew survey

    http://dawn.com/2012/08/15/who-gets-to-be-a-muslim-in-pakistan/