Apple Announces iPad Mini and New 4th Generation iPad

Apple had one of its best product launch event today. iPad Mini, the longest rumored compact version of iPad, was finally made official. Other than iPad Mini, Tim Cook and his team had lot many other things to unveil including new iMacs.

Keep reading to know all the announcements made on Apple’s big day.

Speaking Numbers

Like always, Tim Cook (CEO, Apple) took the stage to start bragging about the numbers to give a clear indication that Apple is still the number one technology company. Here are major figures he mentioned:

  • Apple sold 5 million iPhone 5′s devices during opening weekend – which Apple claims to be the fastest selling phone in history.
  • Tim Cook claims that over 3 million customers pre-ordered new iPod touch and iPod nano models.
  • Apple claimed that over 200 million devices are running iOS 6, that’s just after one month of its launch.
  • Apple has sold 100 million iPads till to date.
  • Over the last year, users have stored over 125 million documents in the company’s “Documents in the Cloud” service.
  • Since its introduction last year, users have sent over 300 billion iMessages. According to Cook, customers send over 28,000 iMessages each second.
  • Since its debut last month, users have shared over 70 million photos through the company’s “Shared Photo Streams” service.
  • Apple’s App Store has over 700,000 apps – 275,000 of which are designed specifically for the iPad
  • Some 35 billion apps have been downloaded from the store.
  • Apple says that it has paid out over $6.5 billion to developers.

iPad Mini

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iPad Mini is finally here to rival Nexus 7 and to steal lovers of Window’s upcoming tabs. Featuring a 7.9-inch display and support for both Wi-Fi and 4G LTE cellular networks, will start at $329.

The Wi-Fi version will be available starting November 2nd, while the cellular+WiFi version will debut in mid-November. Consumers can start placing pre-orders for the device on Oct. 26.

Running on top of an A5 dual-core chip there would be 5 megapixel iSight camera on the rear of the tablet which can shoot 1080p HD video. The device weighs 0.68 pounds and is 23% thinner than the standard iPad.

Here are other specs of iPad Mini:

    • Processor: Dual Core A5 Processor
    • Size and Weight:
      • Height: 7.87 inches (200 mm)
      • Width: 5.3 inches (134.7 mm)
      • Depth: 0.28 inch (7.2 mm)
      • Weight: 0.68 pound (308 g)
    • Display:
      • 7.9-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit Multi-Touch display with IPS technology
      • 1024-by-768 resolution at 163 pixels per inch (ppi)
      • Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating

  • Storage:
    • 16, 32 and 64GB
  • Connectivity:
    • WiFi Version:
      • 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi (802.11n 2.4GHz and 5GHz)
      • Bluetooth 4.0 wireless technology
    • Cellular+WiFi Version:
      • GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz), UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz) LTE (Bands 4 and 17)
      • 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi (802.11n 2.4GHz and 5GHz)
      • Bluetooth 4.0 wireless technology
  • Camera
    • 5MP rear iSight Camera with Autofocus, Face Detection, 1080P video recording, Backside illumination
    • 1.2MP front facing camera for FaceTime video calling over Wi-Fi or cellular
  • Battery:
    • Up to 10 hours of surfing the web on Wi-Fi, watching video, or listening to music
    • Up to 9 hours of surfing the web using cellular data network
    • Charging via power adapter or USB to computer system
  • Price
    • iPad Mini 16GB: $329
    • iPad Mini 32GB: $429
    • iPad Mini 64GB: $529
    • Add $130 for versions with cellular capability.

4th Generation iPad

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Apple also announced the re-done enhanced version of iPad, that can be dubbed as iPad4. Apple said that it comes with better A6X processor with quad-core graphics that the company claims provides double the performance of the old A5X chip.

Here are other specs of 4th Generation iPad

    • Processor: Dual-core A6X with quad-core graphics
    • Display
      • 9.7-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit Multi-Touch display with IPS technology
      • 2048-by-1536 resolution at 264 pixels per inch (ppi)
      • Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating
    • Size and Weight:
      • Height: 9.50 inches (241.2 mm)
      • Width: 7.31 inches (185.7 mm)
      • Depth: 0.37 inch (9.4 mm)
      • Weight: 1.44 pounds (652 g)
    • Storage:
      • 16, 32 and 64 GB versions
    • Connectivity:
      • WiFi Only Version:
        • 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi (802.11n 2.4GHz and 5GHz)
        • Bluetooth 4.0 wireless technology
      • Cellular + WiFi Version:
        • GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz), UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz) LTE (Bands 4 and 17)
        • 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi (802.11n 2.4GHz and 5GHz)
        • Bluetooth 4.0 wireless technology
    • Camera
      • 5MP rear iSight Camera with Autofocus, Face Detection, 1080P video recording, Backside illumination
      • 1.2MP front facing camera for FaceTime video calling over Wi-Fi or cellular
    • Battery:
      • Up to 10 hours of surfing the web on Wi-Fi, watching video, or listening to music
      • Up to 9 hours of surfing the web using cellular data network
      • Charging via power adapter or USB to computer system
    • Price
      • Fourth-generation iPad, Wi-Fi only, 16 GB, $499
      • Fourth-generation iPad, Wi-Fi only, 32 GB, $599
      • Fourth-generation iPad, Wi-Fi only, 64 GB, $699
      • Add $130 for versions with cellular capability.


    • nestlepakistan

      i think Nexus is good Choice.

      • Guest

        How, iPad mini has 5 MP back camera, and an LTE supported version plus 0.9 inch bigger screen and more light weight and slim than Nexus 7. If your comparison is based on processor only then iOS consumes much less processing power so, for the iOS Dual Core is perfect. Its a tablet, hope you have not made your mind to rip movies on tablet. if we compare these additional points then ofcourse $329 is premium price. Still nexus has $199 impact but compare the detailed specs please. I don’t deny the fact that Nexus has really outstanding price.

    • M.Aswad Mehtab

      Expensive for a tablet of this Size … But iOS love will make it sell …
      7 inch tabs are just for webs surfing, movies, games etc so Nexus 7 is still a good choice …

    • Jawad

      ohh man just bought a new iPad 3rd Generation few days ago and now they refreshed the spec so early, what about those who spent 630$ on there iPad 3rd Generation!…….yes its good to see a nice upgrades for iPad but they shouldn’t have launch this iPad 4h Generation till next year

    • Mudassar

      iPad mini is not 4th Generation. It’s same third generation but just in mini size :P

      • Ahmed

        There is a separate model of 4th Generation iPad, while iPad mini is another.

        • Mudassar

          Ye, without anything new except LABEL :P

          These companies are now looting haha.

          They got funny thing, lo ge pehly 1GB ram theeee, ab 1.5GB ho gye hy, ab 2GB ho gye hy, pehly 8GB HDD thee, abb 16GB ho gai hy :)

          Buy tech which was release 1-2 years back & it will save you a lot of money

    • Sana

      I think the best buy and choice is samsung galaxy Note 2 over nexus and ipad tabs

      • Ahmed

        No way, a phone must look like a phone, not like a tablet XD

    • اظہر علی

      Google nexus ki price kia hai Pakistan main?

    • rehan`

      Just bought new ipad 3months ago and now they have announced a new version……very bad …what about the people who have brand loyalty ,,,,! i think now apple is confused and scared from its competitors specially samsung……:(

      • Shahid Saleem

        For Brand Loyalty see Xavier. Apple can put out a product (iPad Mini) with higher price and lower resolution than Nexus 7 and they’ll still defend the company.

        That’s Brand Loyalty. Or maybe cult.

        • Xavier

          Thanks for compliments, infact im one of the 100 million iPad owners :) I’d be waiting if rehan to follow your google cult and to buy nexus 7, and then let us know how much he got satisfied, and how much it paid off to him. I didn’t see a single comment from any of owners of nexus 7?

          • Shahid Saleem

            I am a Nexus 7 user who also uses iPads on an irregular basis (more than a few times a month but not every day).

            And yes, I also work on software for both devices. So I see things from both user and dev sides.

            • Guest

              Owner of user? , there’s a huge difference of perspective.

            • Xavier

              Owner or user of nexus 7? there’s a huge difference of perspective. Even you own one, Even if i suppose its the best tablet out now, then how much nexus 7 have been sold till now? , any statistical figures? … and mention here any source proving nexus 7 beaten iPad by apps, by sales and in customer satisfaction ratio ?

            • Xavier

              “Do you seriously want to compare numbers for a Nexus 7 (released less than six months ago) with iPad (released years ago)? How meaningful is the numbers? Please, stick to meaning FUL comparisons.”

              Ok do compare it with any of the latest single model? and then post side by side beating records of sales or apps or customer satisfaction?…If you found that comparison not meaning full then why you comparing nexus 7 with iPad, why not to leave nexus 7 on its own?…

              “Search around, you will find famous Apple supporters happy with the Nexus 7. Here are a few links to get you started:”

              That’s not mean they weren’t happy with iPad, That’s not the answer what im asking you, only 3 good reviews and nothing concerned what i’ve asked you? .iPad has numerous good reviews, if i started to post them. Still there’s no justified answer or survey which shows that nexus has higher customer satisfaction rate, or more than 275000 dedicated apps?.

              “I develop and use. What do you do? Consume?.”

              Im not android or iOS developer, If you really want to know my uses then let me explain, iam a web developer, i do development in HTML and PHP. i use “Diet Coda” for quick modification and bug fixing of any of page’s code online. Diet coda has great UI and its a quality app, which only iOS could provide me, but its not the single one there are many. Kodiak PHP, a superb PHP interpreter, i use it most of time for practicing while reading e-books on iPad on “goodreader” or iBooks. iam a designer and i love great UI Designs. The app should have quality, no matter at what price it comes but some times cracked versions work ;). Codosaurus and Textastic are another example, which works like Diet Coda but has own charm. “StackTrace” often use it for following issues posted on stack over flow. I read “Adobe Inspire Magazine” on iPad believe me, its really helping publication.
              Forgot about Pages, another quality app, i use it sometimes for
              presentation and notes for my clients. Im a student of CS too, iTunes U, a great dedication for education. It features free good educative material of CS from universities around the world, PDF as well as video lectures, all you need just to follow your favorite class of any subject. Beside this CAPCOM, NAMCO and SEGA developing great games for iPad, recent is street fighter X Tekken, Despicable Me Minon mania.
              Sorry i was about to post many apps too but
              that would take a long typing each :D for me its been a great educative, useful and entertaining tablet so far, i am just a one buyer of iPad expressing my satisfaction, because it really worth what i’ve spent on it. there are many.. more than any tablet and i don’t think that your nexus 7 can provide me these apps? or any good and quality alternative apps on nexus 7.

              • Shahid Saleem

                — i don’t think that your nexus 7 can provide me these apps? or any good and quality alternative apps on nexus 7.

                Even if the Nexus 7 could (or does) why does it matter to you? And yet, there are people who buy the Nexus 7 instead of iPad. That is the reality.

                Again, go back and read what you wrote. You have talked about larger screen (ignoring smaller display resolution), more apps, back camera, etc. Your mind is made up. That is fine. But to say that the iPad Mini (which you haven’t even used!) is better than a CHEAPER device with a better screen is just insane.

                Also I did not post three random reviews, I posted reviews by longtime APPLE users and enthusiasts who promote Apple all the time. If they are happy with the Nexus 7, then clearly Google is doing something right.

                Lastly, the fact that iPad has more tablet-sized apps has LESS to do with Apple or iOS and MORE to do with how long it has been around. Or would you care to go back in time to about one year after the original iPad release and compare the quality of apps back then versus now?

                • Xavier

                  “Even if the Nexus 7 could (or does) why does it matter to you? And yet, there are people who buy the Nexus 7 instead of iPad. That is the reality.”

                  That’s not the answer of my question… c’mon tell me, where i can find my apps on Android, that would be enough for me to switch nexus 7…?..Yes it matters to me, i really want to know whats nexus 7 has which really making you its fan, i believe that people who are buying nexus 7 over ipad would only be price conscious not quality conscious.Even if people are buying nexus tell me how many people? I can tell you the success of each and every iPad by apps, by sales or by customer satisfaction. its kinda funny that you have not even answered my single question. Tell me how much nexus have been soled till now, period of one year has been elapsed, even new Nexus is announced. How much specific apps it has or had?, I’ve shown list of my apps which i cant find on android, how much its really helping you out?, that something it only one can do, or its only a web surfing device?

                  ” You have talked about larger screen (ignoring smaller display resolution), more apps, back camera, etc. Your mind is made up. That is fine. But to say that the iPad Mini (which you haven’t even used!) is better than a CHEAPER device with a better screen is just insane.”

                  By the way. Regarding better screen i already cleared that having better screen not means that you would have better experience on it. Yes i didn’t use iPad mini but i know that all of the iPad 2 apps which almost 275000 are compatible with it even those apps which i already using on iPad. Even iPad costs much comparing to android tablets, but its atleast a good product with quality apps. It actually worth that price and Its already proven, that apple sold its first inventory of iPad mini only in 36 hours, and its happening from the day first, people buy apple products quickly even if they didn’t have used them. Apple is leader and every leader charges more than follower that happens in market, ofcourse you’ll find cheap phones and tablets because those vendors are followers and trying to be there, where apple actually is.

                  Lastly, the fact that iPad has more tablet-sized apps has LESS to do with Apple or iOS and MORE to do with how long it has been around. Or would you care to go back in time to about one year after the original iPad release and compare the quality of apps back then versus now?”

                  Yes it matters even if you go back in time you’ll find android tablets were head to head with iPad but still failed in Apps arena, Apple released its first iPad in April 2010, at that time apple introduced iWork, keynote and iBooks those were special key apps for the iPad, later samsung released Galaxy Tab in Nov 2010 and motorola released Xoom, in feb 2011, then in March 2011 apple released iPad 2 and announced that App store now has 65000 iPad apps, and the fact is honey comb was only having only 100 tablet-oriented apps at that time. So, compare it now, now you even don’t know the numbers.

                  • Shahid Saleem

                    — c’mon tell me, where i can find my apps on Android, that would be enough for me to switch nexus 7…?

                    Again, it’s just like the camera issue. You mentioned among the first things how the iPad has a 5MP back camera. If you need it, fine, you’ll use a device that has a back camera. If you don’t need it, then that won’t matter. For the apps you use, if you can find them or similar or better apps on Android, it’s possible for you to switch. If you can’t, you won’t. No objection from me. I am not forcing or asking you to switch. I don’t care what you use. (And no, I am not going to try and find the apps for you.)

                    But I do not go around saying Android is inferior because it doesn’t have the apps you use. I can point to apps I use that aren’t on iOS (and also several that are on both). That is not and never has been the issue.

                    For example, I have APG on my Android for OpenPGP keys. I have TextSecure for sending and receiving encrypted SMS (on my phone not my tablet). I have Chrome to Phone, which lets me send directly from my desktop/laptop web browser to any Android device I use (phone or tablet). I have “Hacker’s Keyboard” which gives me more of the usual typing keys (easier to press brackets and numbers without pressing another button first). There are of course several code editors, but I don’t edit code on anything but desktops/laptops (it is too painful no matter what tablet I use).`

                    — I’ve shown list of my apps which i cant find on android, how much its really helping you out?

                    Not at all because I don’t use *ANY* of the same apps for ANY of the same purposes. Can you look at my list and see which ones you think are important? Probably none. And yet, they are important to me. And 100% unavailable on iOS.

                    You keep asking for numbers. Yet another meaningless request. Why ask me? I don’t work for Asus or Google, so how would I have the numbers? You are just as capable as me of using Google (or do you use Bing now? :):):) to search for the numbers for yourself. One thing I *CAN* point out is that the Nexus 7 came out in JUNE, not ONE YEAR AGO. Not getting the simplest of facts right does not help you.

                    • Xavier

                      Again, it’s just like the camera issue. You mentioned among the first things how the iPad has a 5MP back camera. If you need it, fine, you’ll use a device that has a back camera. If you don’t need it, then that won’t matter. For the apps you use, if you can find them or similar or better apps on Android, it’s possible for you to switch. If you can’t, you won’t. No objection from me. I am not forcing or asking you to switch. I don’t care what you use. (And no, I am not going to try and find the apps for you.)

                      So why you jumped in my discussion? if you really don’t care, in my very first comment i mentioned that iPad has several plus points over the nexus not just the single. I didn’t deny low price factor of it. But i proved that nexus is not the best tablet around , there’s another which is quite more useful. Why the hell you started the whole thread kept arguing, now simply you are pulling out yourself why would you do that for me, what im asking, i asked your justification.. if you cant provide me that then why you jumped in? if you are not here to do anything for any one then why you are messing with anybody, when you really don’t have something to prove your argument with any logic? and i personally suggest you not to find my apps on android because i felt during the discussion that you avoid facing the facts.

                      You keep asking for numbers. Yet another meaningless request. Why ask me? I don’t work for Asus or Google, so how would I have the numbers? You are just as capable as me of using Google (or do you use Bing now? :):):) to search for the numbers for yourself. One thing I *CAN* point out is that the Nexus 7 came out in JUNE, not ONE YEAR AGO. Not getting the simplest of facts right does not help you.

                      Iam asking you because i really didn’t find anything about nexus 7 mentioning that it has beaten the iPad and lower its sales and its really an iPad killer, or people stopped buying iPad since nexus 7 launched. All i know and shown that its not comparable to iPad at any single point its far away from iPad, you may compare it with Kindle or Nook, but iPad no way because its only a wanna be iPad kinda tablet. Ofcourse i will ask you not another person here because you are the only one here who is shouting too much about nexus 7… so im really interested to know why you shouting.. and you replied… search google .. i cant tell you.. if you cant justify then keep shouting, but that’s actually something, which is called “Meaningless”.. Yes i use google.. i didn’t mention anywhere that google is bad in making a good search engine.. thread was about tablet.

                      Not at all because I don’t use *ANY* of the same apps for ANY of the same purposes. Can you look at my list and see which ones you think are important? Probably none. And yet, they are important to me. And 100% unavailable on iOS.

                      Well i saw your list, which doesn’t seem for any professional use, from any point, yes im in favour of iPad because its helping me professionally too, first of all again you mentioned phone apps while ignoring the tablet phenomenon. Those apps might run on android tablet but in very crappy gfx..even when you have higher pixel density ;)… And it made me laugh that seriously you bought your nexus 7 tablet for those apps and felt its better than iPad? seriously?… oh kay never mind !! :D

                      And yes, they are important to me. And 100% unavailable on iOS…

                      One fact i admit that android have advantage of being open soruce.. i didn’t find any PHP interpreter on android… i bet if iOS whould have been Open source it had beaten android easily.. I really don’t know your use concerning these apps. look the gui and feel of those apps are not they feel sluggish compare from any single apps mentioned by me.? That is quality.. im not being specific to web development there are many others to, However still iOS has some good alternative of your mentioned apps
                      For the first one there’s oPenGP Lite, for TextSecure, there’s Wickr on iOS.. for Chrome to phone..there are “Simplenote…Firefox Home..paste fire” many like these, and atleast quality apps…For keyboard there are less complaints regarding keyboard on iOS than android, even iOS keyboard is much convenient to use still if im crazy to get 5 rows keyboard, and i can’t live without this single app i wont mind to jailbreak and to go Cydia to install iKeyWi.. rather choosing android.

                      • Shahid Saleem

                        I checked. Acer says they are selling almost 1 million Nexus 7 tablets per month. Apple is selling about 3-5 million in the same time period.

                        But because they are not primarily selling to the same consumers, it doesn’t matter because there is a huge market that does not have tablets at all. It has not reached saturation. Also, reminder that Apple’s tablet sales are actually showing lower growth than Android. I posted a link to that analysis a couple of weeks ago.

                        — So why you jumped in my discussion? if you really don’t care, in my very first comment i mentioned that iPad has several plus points over the nexus not just the single.

                        READ CAREFULLY. I never said you or anyone else should or shouldn’t use iPad. But you are the one who said the iPad is better based on the hardware (screen, processor, etc), and only later switched to defending it because of the apps. I can scroll up and read just as well as you can.

                        You were looking for reasons to make your favorite choice (iPad) superior, and when you failed to compare the hardware, you switched to software. (Another thing you missed: Nexus 7 is quadcore, not like the iPad’s dualcore).

                        I did not buy my tablet because everyone else buys Nexus 7 (interesting how you would think that). I bought it because Nexus devices get updates from Google (not the manufacturer), and because like I have implied several times, I write software for mobile devices, so updates are important to me.

                        And yeah, I bought a Nexus 7 to write software targeted at tablet sizes. Also, because my family can use the tablet to look at and post family videos, pictures, etc. There are more uses to tablets than editing dumb php code. (PHP, responsible for almost as many security holes in sites as ASP ha ha).

                        So when you say “Well i saw your list, which doesn’t seem for any professional use” well, who are you to define professional? A family member works for Punjab government and goes around with the team that scans land records and has farmers and government workers attend markets to take records for government planning purposes. He is a professional in his area, and in his area they would NEVER EVER EVEN CONSIDER Apple devices. That’s a big market I can be part of (by writing apps for them) and you will never be part of. And yeah, they prefer android. For the apps they can write and deploy.

                        Did you know that you have to pay $99/year to write apps for your own iOS device? A device you own, and you still cannot write apps for it without paying money to Apple yearly. This is a good thing? Please tell us how. I am 100% sure you can find some way to defend that.

                      • Xavier

                        “But because they are not primarily selling to the same consumers, it doesn’t matter because there is a huge market that does not have tablets at all. It has not reached saturation. Also, reminder that Apple’s tablet sales are actually showing lower growth than Android. I posted a link to that analysis a couple of weeks ago.”

                        iPad has already leading them so at the moment you don’t need to tell me that, because a leader is a winner, iPad is best that’s why its at the top. or mention the same when android tablets surpassed iPad, which they didn’t since they are available, even having higher pixel density quad cores bla bla.. fail..

                        “But you are the one who said the iPad is better based on the hardware (screen, processor, etc), and only later switched to defending it because of the apps. I can scroll up and read just as well as you can.You were looking for reasons to make your favorite choice (iPad) superior, and when you failed to compare the hardware, you switched to software. (Another thing you missed: Nexus 7 is quad-core, not like the iPad’s dualcore).”

                        Still i say its better, i didn’t switch to OS, but that was necessary for justification of your pixel density point. If you failed in apps discussion then admit it don’t blame me for switching over OS just because of as it was right, or prove me wrong. Why not to talk about OS? why not tell me. What you could do having only the hardware. Your quad core processor is actually made for your android. So if we neglect OS and apps,,, why you talk about quad core and higher pixel density….. do they have any benefit to you without OS or apps? … Quad core? search you’ll find that iOS out performs android in benchmarks on similar hardware.. One thing ofcourse you need quad core to handle such heavy crap OS and low quality apps which often cause memory overflow, Nexus 7 even lacks of hardware quality even many owners of nexus 7 complained on Android fan sites (XDA Developers, Android Central, and Android Authority) about those problems, for example Nexus 7 screen was causing the case to make a creaking sound, because it was not attached very securely..Backlight leakage was so horrible that it was complained massively, which happens on other cheap tablets also ..Some people found broken MicroUSB port… Touch detection issues raised because of over heating..On XDA Developers some people posted photos of dead pixels in Nexus 7.. even dead microphones, i can provide you those references as well ….if still you need something over your hardware?..

                        “And yeah, I bought a Nexus 7 to write software targeted at tablet sizes. Also, because my family can use the tablet to look at and post family videos, pictures, etc. There are more uses to tablets than editing dumb php code. (PHP, responsible for almost as many security holes in sites as ASP ha ha).”

                        lol, now you want to start a debate on PHP? why not to stick with tablet. You asked for me what i do.. i explained the same, as you always say me or mine… so its me who do code editing.. i’ll do whatever i like or you have problem with that? because you can’t find php interpreter on android so you’ll start to find problems of php just for your satisfaction?… OH.. something you cant find on your tablet, then you will simply declare it bulshit?.. its just like a pigeon closing eyes on cat’s arrival as far as it concerned with PHP, its being used more than ASP for web developments.. go to github show me ASP’s status there? its not even listed in top 10’s languages, where actually internet giants are sharing their codes…

                        “He is a professional in his area, and in his area they would NEVER EVER EVEN CONSIDER Apple devices. That’s a big market I can be part of (by writing apps for them) and you will never be part of. And yeah, they prefer android. For the apps they can write and deploy.”

                        Well its simply shit you posted, infact its hilarious, or might be your sense of humor? isn’t it? Ofcourse that person has nothing to do with iPad or even with your nexus 7. Its completely depends on the person if he does it.. he can do it on iPad as well that will help him to be more productive but if he doesn’t you can’t limit only this kind of use as professional, I can point out the usage of iPad on higher professional level as well, Australia’s Westpac had developed a dozen internal iPad applications to determine employees’ usage habits and technology requirements. Boston Scientific, large medical device maker has also distributed iPads and adopted it, London Drugs also deployed iPad at their stores..but this list is huge.. many multinational companies adopted it for their professional use, not only iPad but iPhone also.

                        “Did you know that you have to pay $99/year to write apps for your own iOS device? A device you own, and you still cannot write apps for it without paying money to Apple yearly. This is a good thing? Please tell us how. I am 100% sure you can find some way to defend that.”

                        Thanks again for the compliments, well this one is self explanatory and clears my point, which iam explaining you from my first post that if you have to spend something then atleast you should get some benefit of it or it should worth of spending. Developers are earning more than that even apple announces that amount in events, as recently it announced that it had payed $4 Billion to appstore developers. Despite of being costly developers developing IOS apps massively still its competing free open source android or even if i consider your point then iOS would have been failed but this is not the case, still there’s wide availability of iOS apps, specially iPad apps, which outnumbered tablet apps of your free sorry! cheap android and its quad core higher pixel density tablet Even when you are developing too much for it :D

                      • Shahid Saleem

                        Oh man, you simply cannot stop blathering instead of presenting facts.

                        — search you’ll find that iOS out performs android in benchmarks on similar hardware..

                        I searched. You’re wrong. Search youtube for “iPad Mini vs Nexus 7: Benchmarks” by SoldierKnowsBest. The Nexus 7 is about 2x faster than iPad Mini on raw benchmarks.

                        All those complaints about hardware, well, every company has hardware problems once in a while (remember antenna grip of death???). They’re fixed now. My tablet has none of those listed problems.

                        Man, I didn’t bring up PHP for any reason but to make fun of PHP. I see you are as sensitive about PHP as you are about iPad. Wow. Talk about fanaticism. As to whether PHP runs on Android, it does. In fact, Android even has a specialized scripting for android environment (php, python, ruby, all supported). Yes, Xavier, you can even write and sell Android apps in PHP! Yet another thing iOS won’t let you do easily.

                        — go to github show me ASP’s status there?

                        HA HA HA. Hey why don’t you go to codeplex and show me how many PHP projects there are? What another meaningLESS comparision, trying to befool people who don’t know that different communities gather in different places. And IN THE END, you’ll be comparing open source PHP vs open source ASP when you know that ASP is mostly used for closed source. Wow, how ignorant do you think the readers on this blog are?

                        — Ofcourse that person has nothing to do with iPad or even with your nexus 7.

                        And then you go on to list apps and companies in places like Australia, US, UK, etc. Hello. I was talking about someone in PAKISTAN working at a GOVERNMENT project. You know, that’s this site? PROPAKISTANI? Not PRO-APPLE-BECAUSE-COMPANIES-IN-WESTERN-COUNTRIES-CAN-AFFORD.

                        Local market: Apple is locked out. Local market: HUGE GROWTH OPPORTUNITY. Connect the dots.

                      • Xavier

                        “Oh man, you simply cannot stop blathering instead of presenting facts.”

                        Neither you do.

                        Many times you have simply ignored what is being said and asked.
                        Yes Nexus has Quad cores, i don’t deny that even its performance would be better with more pixel density but for what?…even i don’t see any importance of it for your 5 rows keyboard and encryption apps… at the end you are out of quality apps, most of apps you run in upscaled mode.. and lower the number of apps you have.
                        I don’t need to search any video while i can see the results here.. and i used the word “Similar” Hardware..
                        iphonebenchmark(dot)net/cpumark_chart.html
                        androidbenchmark(dot)net/cpumark_chart.html

                        Oh haha! antenna death grip is the only single problem of iPhone which was out there… it has nothing to do with the iPad, Even death grip was there i think still i don’t need to mention about the success of iPhone 4, its name explains it itself :), or prove it wrong if iPhone 4 has not been succeeded. Just because your are out of supportive arguments so you would mention me flaws found in another product rather tablet?. Untill now you yourself were commenting that if something useful i found in iPad that’s not mean others will find, so, if others found those hardware problems in nexus 7 then its not mean you’ll also have.. i can judge the further level of insanity you refering me to a Microsoft’s own site for ASP and PHP comparison, and more funny how its come to your mind to compare github with Microsoft’s codeplex?, what programing language people would prefer to go on Microsoft’s site? So who is posting biased info you or me? . I didn’t find any PHP interpreter, but if there is before posting here, please you should compare its quality with the iPad apps mention . At the end… im not interested to know if PHP is better or not, it just works the way it should be.

                        Oh, so you have to say its Pakistan, Hello sir you are not discussing about something which is being made in Pakistan. Both are international products, i see the more power of iPad holding that ground than nexus 7…Funny again if it has anything to do with local GOVT projects, why should i start a debate wht’s being used by Pakistani Govt? that makes no sense. Only something what Govt does called professional..? I had only asked you how nexus 7 is helping you, while it has no apps as much as iPad has. You were unable to deny that fact and commented i bought it for testing my apps, so is this the only thing that Nexus 7 can do?, you could have done it with more cheap android tablets.. or you could have got 5 rows keyboard and something crap like that. if buying something cheap is wiser?

                        Again iOS is closed i agree, but we don’t se any negative impact of it on iOS, despite open source is available still iOS listing in Top Mobile Operating systems. Or tell me isn’t.. so who cares if its closed. Its going very well.. massive developments for it. Why you think so biased..Its being soled, developers are developing for it, it gained more customer satisfaction ratio, 5 Million iPhones sold in a single day, 3 Million iPads being soled, 100 Million already sold, “Open source” that’s only what Android fanatics shout.. Yes its closed so what..? atleast i can get more apps for my tablet than your open source.
                        Finally, Faisal has explained enough, being an unbiased third person between us. if you think me as iOS fanatic, then you are an android fanatic too, if you think commenting “Nexus 7” as good choice was enough for me to start, then commenting “its not” was enough for you to start, if you think im biased about iOS then you are being about android too..there’s no difference.
                        You don’t see anything better that Nexus, i don’t see anything better than iPad. Neither i can change your views nor you can mine, but atleast from Faisal’s comments i learned that we both are in a meaningless debate… in future we will both learn about the success of iPad as well as Nexus, nexus has not Succeeded as iPad as yet but if it succeeds then surely it would remind me of you.

                      • Shahid Saleem

                        — I don’t need to search any video while i can see the results here.. and i used the word “Similar” Hardware..

                        Neither of your two links actually compare android hardware with apple hardware. The video I mentioned does do exactly that, and also with the current hardware (iPad Mini and Nexus 7). Can you please focus on the facts instead of irrelevancies? (I know the answer: no you can’t.)

                        Your argument that the antenna grip of death is an iPhone problem and thus not applying is pretty lame. Every company has hardware problems & that is all I said. Another example: Intel’s recent SATA issue for example. That didn’t affect the sales of intel chipsets, did it? People still go out and buy them. So the fact that the grip of death did not destroy iPhone 4 sales is yet another meaningLESS statement by you. (In fact, I never said it hurt sales at all — I just pointed out that companies make mistakes). The Nexus problems clearly haven’t affected Nexus sales either, so what…is…your…point…?

                        Your argument of “professional” is biased towards your use of certain iPad apps, mostly to develop for websites, am I right? You talk about editing code on iPad and PHP development on iPad.

                        But if you take a deep breath and look around, you will see that next to no one uses their iPad like you do. Practically, of the 15 million iPads sold in the past three months, almost no one uses them to write software for websites. They use them to do the thing you make fun of: browse the web. Play games. Watch videos. Facetime or skype or viber. You represent a minority of users. But that is not special. It doesn’t matter what platform you use (Windows, OS X, iOS, Android, Linux, whatever): developers are always a tiny minority.

                        Need I remind you that outside of your bubble, in Corporate World, people do not use iOS OR apple laptops? They use PC. They use Windows. They write code in Java EE or .Net. By your own definitions, PC and Windows are a success because they are #1, and they have been #1 ever since at least Windows 3 in 1990.

                        What will you say to that? That Apple market share is growing faster and faster? Well, let me tell you something. Apple is here now in the tablet arena. Apple has a high market share. But Android’s growing faster. Do I need to link to the sales growth figures? Or do you understand the difference between sales and sales growth?

                        You know, you have a real problem with focus. When I mentioned PHP and ASP, did it have anything to do with making fun of you? Or PHP? You thought it was you. I was really making fun of PHP. And yet you CLEARLY had to defend PHP by pointing to figures of open source PHP apps. Oh my God you are so obsessed with your choices. If I make fun of something you use that does not mean I make fun of you! Grow up emotionally man!

                        I repeat for the second time since you missed it that your github reference is meaningLESS: most ASP software is closed source, not open source. So why should its rank on github matter?

                        What is probably more useful is the TIOBE index on languages, and I am afraid you are in for bad news. In the last two years, PHP has dropped straight almost 50% in TIOBE’s index. C# has climbed up by 50% but also dropped (now slightly lower than PHP). VB has had the biggest drop.

                        Your bank probably uses Java or .Net but they do NOT use PHP and that should make you think why.

                        And the fact that PHP and ASP have high number of security holes is a fact. Look over security advisories if you don’t believe.

                        (But I think you will neither believe me or check.)

                        My mention of the government was to point out a market the iPad ignores. And lest you forget, Apple officially still does not sell iPads here. Really, there are millions of professionals in Pakistan who can afford and use an Rs 10,000-15,000 Android device, and no apple device (or iOS) helps them at all.

                        But I guess since they don’t edit websites on an iPad, you must not think of them as professionals.

                        (I have two iPods, an iPad 3, two Nexus devices. And I don’t use any of your apps, and I never will. And yet, I am a professional in my area of expertise — one of fewer than 50k in Pakistan.)

                        And your feeling that I cannot find anything better than Nexus is NOT TRUE AT ALL. I have compared the two. I have developed on both. I have made my decision after taking a few years of looking at both platforms. As far as apps are concerned, if I really cared about apps, I would buy a PC and install Windows on it. THAT is the platform with the most users and apps, not iPad.

                      • XavierR

                        While i can reply all of above but this time im not interested anymore…Because i realized im arguing with a wrong person, as Faisal did too… you know well that i can defend all of those too.. As you say..”I am 100% sure you can find some way to defend that.”… I already commented that all is meaningless.. Thanks for the effort you did at last to type such a long reply.

                        So, im simply leaving it because at the end there would be no difference of you and me and i don’t want to face the further situation as said ….”Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. ”

                      • Shahid Saleem

                        Yeah, I guess all these long comments fit on my 1280×800 screen, but not your 1024×768…

                        A pity disqus has an app for android devices but not iOS.

                      • Xavier

                        You are right …..While there’s m.disqus.com, i’ll buy nexus 7 just for an upscaled version of disqus. Thanks for letting me know :)

                      • Faisal

                        Exactly that’s why i didn’t reply him, he himself claimed that experience above :) or a worm taunts him to leave at-least a single comment at last in every reply regardless of any logic ;)

              • as far as i think….

                Apple users have paid a lot while buying these products.. therefore they ultimately defend their high paying.. this is not a tech review.. i know that apple has SOME thing better.. but NOT ECONOMICAL… charges a lot more while offering little bit extra as compared to competitors… good luck for all who have money, enjoy apple.. others might go towards android or even chines products…

      • Shahid Saleem

        And there you have it, rehan — you can see the brand loyalty with Xavier.

        Imagine that there are two television models. Model Nexus: 40″ screen, 1080p resolution. Model iPad: 42″ screen, 720p resolution, builtin FM radio…and made by Apple. People like xavier will buy the second one and say it is better than the first because model Nexus has no radio and model iPad has the larger screen (but lower resolution) is “better”.

        Note how in the entire conversation no one said Nexus is the best option. Someone posted that the Nexus is a “good choice” and that was enough for Xavier to start promoting his “larger screen”.

        • Xavier

          Awwwhhh… yes rehan even i recommended you to go for nexus 7 still he is double minded… please help him here to defend his tablet… he is asking for your help… please!!!!… please help Mr. Shahid Saleem. or i request admin to ban me :D because he just can’t stop upon his failure so he asking help…and for shahid, ofcourse you will prefer that 720p if you will be receiving only a few upscaled channels on that 1080p, so then nexus wont be even a good choice, read my comment but not over here… just at the bottom, you well aware of that where i comment (would be pending for moderation) .

          • Faisal

            Lol, +1. Cant stop laughing on your ban request, hahaha…uski bhi ab yehi khuwahish hogi…

            • Shahid Saleem

              Why would I want him banned? He is free entertainment!

              • Xavier

                This entertainment would have never been free, but a joker helped alot to keep it continue…

              • Faisal

                Whatever you say man, I’ve read your whole discussion with him, he’s not the only one :) but i have to admire his sense of humour, and more interestingly how technically he rejects your points. Its going like Obama-Romney’s debate.

                • Shahid Saleem

                  I’m sorry, but you don’t know the meaning of “technically”. He has opinions, I have opinions. The fact that the iPad has a back camera is not an opinion, but whether or not that is important to consumers is definitely an opinion, and not a technical one.

                  Remember, what got him started was a comment that said nothing more than “Nexus 7 is a good choice”. Not Nexus 7 is the best choice, but a good choice. The idea that something else could compete with the iPad was enough to make him defend his preferred device (that has a smaller display resolution, fewer processor cores, and a closed development system).

                  • Faisal

                    Ok man, no offence with you why you are getting aggressive, but this enough to ensure me that there’s not any problem with him but with you i suppose, why to explain me, i think he has already replied you about all of these , i didn’t ask you anything, you keep it on with him not with me . On the whole page, whenever i read your comment i believed that you are right, but same time in next comment i also learned that he is also right, that’s also something which voting tells on his some comments.

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      — that’s also something which voting tells on his some comments.

                      Not at all! Reason #1: I have a history on this site and people vote me down out of habit because I have unpopular opinions. Reason #2: you cannot decide technical arguments on votes, you have to have experience with them at all levels.

                      I have (in the past and currently) written code in c, c++, java, php, several scripting languages, and also have some experience writing apps for iOS and Android. Not all of it learned at my day job(s). And in the long run, I think Android is a better environment for growth, not iOS. But again that is my opinion, and it has nothing to do with whether the iPad is a winner now and has 34294823543892 apps in its store. There is certainly a difference between a BMW and an Alto, but if you were in the aftermarket parts business, in Pakistan, you know which one will generate the most revenue for you. If I write an application for the local market that runs on crappy Huawei or Qmobile Rs 12,000 phones with small screens as well as Samsung S III or higher, I will get more users than if I wrote it for iPhone/iPad.