Bank Alfalah has been grilled on social media for what people called were the ‘sexist policies’ from one of Pakistan’s largest banks.
As per details, Sabina Ahmed – a resident of Islamabad – was appalled and let down when she was denied cancellation of a Pay Order due to lack of ‘male witnesses.’
Ms Ahmed expressed her anger in a tweet where she explained the whole story.
Went to Bank Alfalah for cancelling a Pay Order. Was told to produce two witnesses for cancellation. Asked my mother to sign for a witness only to be told that only male admissible as witnesses… beyond appalled.
— Sabina Ahmad (@sabina_ahmad) January 8, 2019
Her tweet went viral and people seemed to be concerned over the bank’s ‘irresponsible’ and ‘illegal demands.’ One of the Twitter users suggested that the operational and branch managers of the bank should be served show cause notices for this behavior.
He also explained that there were no such prudential regulations from State Bank.
Branch Manager & Operations Manager need to be served show cause notice for making an illegal demand which is not mandated by State Bank of Pakistan
There is absolutely no requirement in law or Prudential Regulation of SBP which requires 2 witnesses for cancellation of pay order— HaiderZamanQureshi (@HaiderZQureshi) January 8, 2019
Another Twitterati, who faced a similar situation, shared her experience:
Went to get a stamp paper for an official declaration and asked for the process. He explained the process and told me to bring two witnesses and to ensure that they are both males!
— Nuzhat Lotia (@nuz05) January 8, 2019
Some people raised a valid point that what if a female doesn’t have a male family member?
Whattt !? Seriously!? 😳 what about women who have no male family members??? @BankAlfalah
— Ruby ( 804) (@rubiaabrar) January 8, 2019
https://twitter.com/zohamaliksher/status/1082626840685170689
Another user nailed it by inquiring if the former State Bank Governor Shamshad Akhtar faced a similar situation?
Wonder if they asked the governor State Bank Shamshad akhtar to carry two make witnesses in tow when signing contracts…. Morons!
— afia salam (@afiasalam) January 8, 2019
Asking for witnesses is compromising the privacy of personal information. Why should privacy be invaded for a financial matter that the banks are meant to handle in confidentiality. I am having hard time with MCB. I am asking them to show me in writing each policy that they cite.
— Elon Trump (@RstyClinomaniac) January 9, 2019
https://twitter.com/YaAbalFazl/status/1082629568282935296
While there were some people who felt that the bank was just following an Islamic law.
That's the law of the land!! From 1400 years women's witness is counted as Half
— Haider Rezvi (@haider_rezvi84) January 8, 2019
Bank are not being run by Islamic Law; banks deal in interest, which is contrary to Islamic principles.
— Muhammad Badar Iqbal (@MuhammadBadarI2) January 8, 2019
According to Sabeen, she has lodged a formal complaint but she has been told to wait for five working days before someone from the customer care addresses the issue.
Well this was a perfect decision of that branch manager. Why you guys forgetting the rules of Allah? 2 women’s witness is equivalent of 1 man’s witness. So, either she brings 2 women’s plus 1 man’s witness, or only 2 men’s witness.
Ab jis jagah Sood par kaam kiya jata hai service charges k naam par wahan pe wahan par Allah wale qanoon ki baat karna zyadati hai ????
Bro i am not favoring for bank charges or sood. This was the personal decision of that officer or manager.
Bank’s work under Pakistani lawsl , please go and amend witness act of 1984
Bhai mere Bank bhalle Pakistani laws pe chale , Uganda k laws pe chale bhalle Modi ki phuphi k laws pe chale mujhe kya lena dena, mera bas Xee k ek baat pe ikhtelaf hai jo us ne kaha Rules of Allah, bank purely sood pe kaam karta hai is liye us par Islamic rules and regulations aayed nhn kar sakte bas….
Dear Pakistan is a muslim country and no law against Islam can be passed, mostly tharki are following her and author is one of them or highly paid for defaming best bank of Pakistan. Girls like her can’t buy stamp paper without witness
“Girls like her”.
ابے کچھ شرم کر۔ کچھ حیا کر۔ کچھ اپنی ماں اور بہن کا ہی خیال کر۔
You should have some shame man, such girls are only attention seekers otherwise systems are their
If you have shame and your sister do what she done , you would have at-least slapped her but if you have shame
Oh so you’re one of those to kill their sisters for honor?
You really need to get your views right on girls, or keep it to yourself. Shameless person, asking others to be shameful.
Dear I dont kill for honor but wont let my sister to be entertainment for tharki like you
there is way forward to deal with complaints
Social media is not to be defamed for best bank of Pakistan for last 3 years
She can be booked for defaming alfalah under telegraph and cybercrime bill and propakistani as welll
if the writer is “tharki” for writing this article, then judging from your 101 comments here, that makes you what? depraved?
you dont have mental capacity to write even the article.. and im pretty sure you are being paid by Alflah bank to write 3years best bank stuff..
what a servant!!! go home and keep an eye on your mother and sister
I have capacity or not you dont have mandate to judge me or it dosnt make any difference
Just search on this blog site and you will find who is winner of best bank since last 3 years
i guess arguing with idiot makes you idiot as well so no more comments
and lastly please check about liberal sister and mother , she might be tweeting with 3000 strangers and telling them there stories
you can judge but no one else has “capacity or mandate” judge you?
i’d advise you to go home and monitor your own sister and mother… dont spread your filth here
Gotta salute molvi logic. At least use some common sense before speaking. The “rules of Allah” are not meant for overseeing interest based banking services. That’s like defending a murderer because he recited Allahu Akbar before slitting someone’s throat.
Then you should make your pay orders at your home…. Don’t go to a bank!
I’m in UAE. Ider koi chakkar nai hay witness ka. Pakistan wakhra mulk hay?
بات کرتا ہے یار
then stay there i dont come here , Pakistan dont need jokers
Exactly. Pakistan can do without jokers who judge other people, have bad views on women with ‘holier than thou’ mentality,
Its not about judgment , doing circus on social media is not solution
there are SOP,s for everything
women should be empower but you cant challenge law set by Quran or Pakistan
its you that need to leave.. Pakistan dont need Retards!
It’s law of Pakistan , please check witness act of 1984
TO CANCEL A PAY ORDER?
Please use a tiny bit of your brain to process this first.
Do you have brain , if yes , then check laws
Chacha, kisi larki ka rishta nai confirm ho raha. That’s only for PAY ORDER CANCELLATION. Mind telling why WHY is it required to have a witness to handle such a puny situation, even when State Bank hasn’t prescribed anything?
کمال کرتے ہو پانڈے جی۔
dear do you know what PO is ??? why not you or she lodged complaint to SBP and start tharkpan on social media ??? all banks have the same process and its approved from SBP
Have some knwoledge before you jump into some argument panday jee
Hamary systems ki complaint system jitna effective hay, we all know this. People resort to social media because of this.
Dont put everything in same plate, systems are working but people like you have no sense
abobobilly panday jee, if Bank Al Falah is doing something wrong the customer can simply launch a complain to Bank Al Falah Complain centre, SBP, Banking Motasib. There is no point useless discussion.
This is a case to learn from. If today it’s happening with her, it can very well happen with my or your female family/relative members. This is a policy adopted in all banks. I’m not against it, but such puny matters as Pay Order Cancellation must not be used as a reason to use such policies. Also, if women is allowed to initiate the transaction, she must also be allowed to cancel it.
Agreed but Islam and Pakistan law both accept female witness in full
Leave anyone of them if you dont like
Ch**tiya Log
this article serving the purpose for those who want to spread immorality in the country. all the subjects in this article are linked to that agenda. down with libtruds and feminists and those (hypocrites) who exploit Allah’s deen.
TO CANCEL A PAY ORDER?
This Islam evangelist mentality is no better than ISIS. Dimag to use he nai karna.
Are you a muslim or Pakistani
Oh wow. So i’m raising questions, i must be some firangi or non Muslim? Logical reh k baat karo na.
Its Quran verdict and there is no question or rational/logic that women witness cant be accepted as full
While your stuck at the word “Witness”, i”m asking WHY is it even necessary to have a witness for cancelling pay order. Again, if she can initiate a transaction, without requiring a witness, then she must be allowed to cancel it without one.
Welcome to 2019.
Bank Al Falah : Way Your Sexiestss First
*Bring ?
بھای نیو فوٹو؟ نایس
Stupid ever post from propakistani by stupid author, it’s law of Pakistan that female witness is not considered in full . This is perfect example of gray journalism and anyone can pay and powt against any organisation
do you know anything about banking and Pakistan if not please stop writing nonsense
Looks like you have been appointed by the “best bank” to decry the situation.
Since you are so aware of the laws and religion, care to explain the following?
Ref: The Qanun-e-Shahadat Order, 1984 posted below by @asharamin:disqus
“instrument shall be attested by two men or one man and two women, so that one may remind the other, if necessary, and evidence shall be led accordingly ; “
When it is clearly stated that two women can attest, why did the bank official ask for male witnesses only? He could have informed her that in case the client intends to have witness signatures of a woman (her mother), then it must be two women and one man. But no, he asked for two males specifically. This is a breach of law and as sexist as it looks like.
And how in God’s name did you get the idea that Bank Alfah is the best bank in Pakistan? Source?
Please check the body of banks which award annually declared Alfalah best bank from last 3 years
The answer is in your narration she dont had another woman or male which was required as per law and SOP.
Two woman and 1 male required
Where is this body of banks that you talk of ?
Any website, article or publication that you can refer?
The answer is not in my narration. If you had cared to read Ms. Sabina’s tweet before parting your mouth, it clearly states “only male admissible as witnesses”. That demand by the bank is illegal and against the law.
Now, if you have any shred of self-respect left in you, you would stop spreading disinformation on behalf of the bank.
After Atif Bajwa left and Nauman Ansari took over, Al Falah bank went to the dogs and there is nobody to fix this train wreck of a bank. The head of retail Ms Mehreen Ahmed was known to be the Queen of Retail banking but this went to her head also and she’s become as incompetent and ineffective as the rest of the lot.
thanks for the your opinion but you dont have mandate to defame any bank on your personal opion
Bank Alfalah is best bank since last 3 years
The Qanun-e-Shahadat Order, 1984
17. Competence and number of witnesses: (1) The competence of a person to testify, and the number of witnesses required in any case shall be determined in accordance With the injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Holy Qur’an and Sunnah:”
(2) Unless otherwise provided in any law relating to the enforcement of Hudood or any other special law: —
(a) in matters pertaining to financial or future obligations, if reduced to writing, the
instrument shall be attested by two men or one man and two women, so that one may remind the other, if necessary, and evidence shall be led accordingly ; and
(b) in all other matters, the Court may accept, or act on the testimony of one man or one woman or such other evidence as the circumstances of the case may warrant
Alfalah’s service is pathetic, let alone this case of refusal. Their staff always looks tired, disinterested and helpless in most branches, I don’t know why.