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Jun 3, 2011

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  • http://twitter.com/sachakaka Sacha Kaka

    Pakistan main bhi kai aisay log hain jo apnay apko “modern” kehtay hain.

    jesay turkey main hain jo buri sites block honay per roads per nikal ayay keh hamay internet freedom chahiyay.

    aisay Pakistanio kay baray main soch ker mujhay apnay Pakistan say he nafrat honay lagti hay.

  • saad

    according to the world , pakistan has 4th most strong firewall security for blocking websites and still each year we top in porn search …

    increase porn will result in different sexual perversions , like homesexuality…

    • Ansari

      tht result was incorrect and reverted by Google…

  • http://www.wepakistan.com wePakistan.com

    Definitely, porn site should must have LIFE TIME BAN in Pakistan. After all we are Muslims and we are not allowed to view or spread nudity in society.
    As Muslim as well as Pakistani, I stand-by until our concern departments will take immediate yet effective actions against such activities.

    Regards,
    wePakistan.com

  • salman

    +1
    PTA and who ever control cyber division of Pakistan should block porn.

    @ ammir attaa, u got email from Masjid ?? or Majid. correct if u can.

    • admin

      It is Majid, thanks for correction

  • Shahid Saleem

    – Those who think it’s internet censoring, its not

    Once government has tool and ability to block sites like this, they will use it to block sites and urls they dont like. Believe me, it has happened in EVERY COUNTRY AROUND THE WORLD even in West.

    And sites governement block might be telling truth about government corruption or crimes.

    This is the risk you take by giving power to government to watch your bytes. That is why people use “individual argument”. If you dont want to visit, fine, your choice. But the only way you can stop others from visiting is by giving government to snoop on all your traffic and watch what you say.

    Again, do not forget examples of Syria, Libya, Tunisia. All police states. All had power to watch traffic. And when people do things they dont like, well you saw what they did to their internets.

    • Waleed

      Uncle Shahid ap apni site toh bata dein mujhe kahin ap porn site to operate nahin karte jo ap darr rahe hain ke kahin govt banned na kar dein in ko lol

      • Saad Waseen

        ^^how is this post approved?

        • azmit

          i second saad …. posts like this should not be approved……

      • Shahid Saleem

        Sorry you are right. Government did ban my “waleeddoeskarachi.com” site.

    • Saad Waseen

      If they can block porn, they can block all ‘zardari’ jokes too! think of what we’ll do then.

      • Shahid Saleem

        Knowing their filters and brainpower of PTA, we can just switch to iradraz jokes! They will never understand!

        • Saad Waseen

          amazing! you’re a genius, my friend!

    • http://cyrenity.wordpress.com mustafa

      this is too much negativism. dear just imagine your family members receiving same msg on their cell phone to join a porn site and get in relations with opposite sex!

      • Shahid Saleem

        If they join, that is not evidence that the message convinced them to do the wrong thing. It means they were already “receptive” to idea before they saw message. The message does not FORCE them to do anything. Meaning an issue of bringing them up properly.

        Have PTA etc with all their technology banned sms spam? Do you want someone to preapprove all SMS you send? That is what you are asking for when you want a ban.

        • http://ProPakistani.PK Ahmed Raza

          I agree, but at same time, it does not validate your argument because of the sensitivity of subject matter. I am totally up for freedom of speech, freedom of internet, but our society in general is sexually opressed and most of them are tempted to engage into such activities and if a hostile environment is provided, people will certainly forget their morals and release their sexual tensions, just like you cannot stop kids from doing certain activities.

          Which makes me believe, it all comes to our religious scholors and teachers in schools/colleges and society in general to educate and literate people and make them understand what’s right and what’s not. Secondly, instead of internet censorship, it is a lot better if certain strict legal actions are taken against such activities and give examplary punishments.

    • :@shahid saleem

      sahihd saleem tu aap chahtey ho k porn sites ban na hoon?? barey hi ________ aur _______ insaan ho aap,lagta hai aap bas har wakt pc k saamney beth kar faceboook hi dekhtey rehtay ho. Aur haan aik kaam aur bhi tu kartey ho aap, propakistani pe comment dey key hamara demagh bhi khaatey rehtay ho.

      [Comment Edited]

      • :@shahid saleem

        mera cooment edit q kiya main ney koi gali ya ghalat baat nahi ki thi :SSS

        [Comment Edited]

      • Shahid Saleem

        All I want is for government not to snoop on my traffic. Can I talk to friends in my living room without government listening in? YES. Can I talk to friends on twitter without government trying to listen in? NO.

        Also, I thank you for giving me free publicity when you post about me :):):)

        • :@shahid saleem

          FREE PUBLICITY??? haan pata hai shahid saleem, aap wahi ho “badnaam na hoon gay tu naam na ho ga” .Mubarak hoo ap ko aap bhi Veena malik aur meera ki category main agai.

          • blunt

            nice one

        • azmit

          dude u r a celeb now…. 8)

          • pappu

            an award winning celeb, to be precise. Please do not miss necessary details. Thanks.

  • blunt

    definitely all porn and blesphemous websites and blog should be block in ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN.

  • kingshehzad

    according to this analogy it is very important from the point of view that government and PTA should take strong and concrete action against unlawful forces which forces the innocent and other peoples of pakistan into the race of sexualism and porners.

    by blocking these sites searchere not only redirect but they also deny to do sin and unlawful activities. but the case is not end there the electronic media said to be sad spreading too much western trend and free style elaboration which degrade the minds of peoples and as a result increase in crimes and other rape scenes in the country.so a forceful action and matching case should be taken to remove and delete the unconsciousness among the minds.

    • Shahid Saleem

      Despite all the complaints and posts I see on this site about telenor ads destroying culture etc etc, I still see more “skin” in Lux ads and similar on tv. And of course, no complaints here.

      Lately all I watch on tv is 9pm news on BBC and sometimes Express 24/7. Thats it. Too many ads (of any kind) to enjoy any programs.

  • Russell

    The USF fund has 40 billion rupees. Why don’t the geniuses use some of that money to buy a huge solution to block porn!

    • Shahid Saleem

      40 billion isn’t enough to change mindset of average Pakistanis!

  • Jawad Zubair Shaikh

    Assalam U Alaikum
    Aamir
    All These Articles Are Useless
    Kya Humari Govt. Bachi Hy
    Ho Ye Sub Nahi Janti
    Aamir Bhai Bht Si Websites Pe Pron Sites K Khilaf Articles Likhay Gay
    Bht Say Jalooos Niklay
    Per Kya Howa?
    Nothing
    Aamir Bhai
    We Are Muslim
    & We Should Hate All These Things
    Govt. Sub Janti Or Samajti Hy
    K In Pron Sites Ki Waja Se Humari Young Generation Ko Kitna Nuqsan Ho Raha Hy
    But They Are All Corrupt Peoples
    They Do Nothing
    UAE Or Suadi Govt Ne Bi Step Lia Or Wo Kr Dekhya Jo Humari Govt Ni Kr Saki

    • admin

      Bahi agar aisi baat hay tu phir tu humhain ghar baith jana chiyeye – aur dunya ki har burayi ko accept kar laina chiyey.

      Look, if you are not part of solution, then you are part of the problem; so let’s play our role and raise a voice, believe me it counts.

      • http://Propakistani.pk Khalid

        Aamir Bhai ! We all should appreciate yours initiative regarding porn websites.

        But one most importaant point which no one has yet been pointed out that our teen/upgrowing children both girls and boys are frequently watching all these porn “totays” on their moblibe sets, which is most alarming, resulting they tried to do so “sex” with each others due to frequently exchange of porn videos on their mobile sets by each others. We all witnessing this alarming situations all around us . This is most alarming for our future generation !!!

        Here, i wud recommend that parents should not provided these mobile sets to their children to save our future generation. Rather, i wud request Govt. to bane all such mobiles sets which caused all this……….

        • Shahid Saleem

          You are acting just like Irani government. Know what they do? They limit all home DSL to 128 kbit to “stop spread of Western influence”. Home users also cannot buy WiMAX because it has higher speeds.

          What do you want to do, force government to block all mobiles with more than 2.5″ screen???

          • BILAL

            @shahid… Why are you so optimistic… you described WESTERN INFLUENCE in Iran but you forgot about US Homeland Security program… they filter millions of emails.. messages and other internet data to search out Islamic Fundamentalism etc.. is it not the same thing for what you are opposing.. every government has right to secure it’s boundaries… either geographical or idealogical.. if porn sites are filtered.. it will be security of idealogical boundaries…. Think about it…

            • Shahid Saleem

              You are confusing terms.

              What people want when they ask for porn filtered they want it BLOCKED.

              Homeland security WATCHES emails, they do not FILTER a single email for general public. Please point to any reliable news article that says they filter emails to prevent them from reaching destination.

              That is difference.

              Also, do note sites with https:// are harder to “filter” (block OR scan) by url or something similar. they can only block IP address.

            • Shahid Saleem

              Also if you use TLS for email (and it is easy to set up), your mail cannot be scanned between your server and destination server. So, even homeland cannot look at it.

              Pretty much everything you post in public internet is watched by NSA (read up on Echolon system).

              • blunt

                i observed u always stand in against propakistani
                ” ham kis kis ko rooky ga or kis kis per pabandi lagay ga is ly burai ko na roka jay (whts the logic behind it i couldn’t understand)
                is burai ko na rokny ki waja sy he aj hamara ya haal ha
                yaad ray as a muslim ham sy sirf is cheez k he sawaal ni ho ga k ham buri sy kitny door ry balky har muslim is ka be jawab de ha k hum ny buri ko rokny k ly kia efforts ki
                aik or baat ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN me prob or blesphmous matter ko block karna is k constitution me be shamil ha directly or indirectly too (should read its constitution)

                • Shahid Saleem

                  – i observed u always stand in against propakistani

                  Well, I have my opinion and they have their opinion. Am I bound to AGREE with them always? Should my comments be 100% supportive of their posts? If you think that, tell me why?

                  — is burai ko na rokny ki waja sy he aj hamara ya haal ha

                  Hey, once again: i don’t care what you do or what you block. just do it without the government looking at my internet traffic.

                  Oh and I also disagree. Are you POSITIVE that internet porn has ruined society? I think society was already RECEPTIVE to that BEFORE they looked at it. So if you block porn, you treat the symptom not the disease.

                  — (should read its constitution)

                  Consitution also guarantees freedom of speech. If I know the government is listening to everything I say, I will be careful about what I say, no? It’s simple logic. Do you talk about the same things with your friends when you are sitting alone with them and do you change things (not talk of certain topics, etc) if there are other people present? (parents, elders, etc)? Do you get away from others to spend time just with your friends?

                  Even if what you are discussing is not wrong, you want a certain kind of privacy.

                  And that is all I want from my internet use.

                  So, ban all you want, just don’t violate my privacy, okay?

                  • pappu

                    The fact that he returns to check posts on propakistani, is sufficient to establish that there is something that he likes about this blog. As far as his comments are concerned, propakistani’s spam filters fail to catch him. Hence we cant do anything about him :D
                    His race could not develop much. So we should be lenient with him.

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      – His race could not develop much.

                      As a Muslim, I try not to even think about races. As I posted on the forum elsewhere, I did not even know my caste until after my marriage — and I don’t care either way about it.

                      The fact that you try to use my “race” as an insult, well. That’s the kind of person you are.

                    • pappu

                      and now you are saying that you are married. i guess you are married, but no kids. __________ :D
                      Do you have once single personality? or do you just enjoy being a chameleon?
                      As far as the word race is concerned, race means ethnicity. Allah Himself said that He distributed us in tribes so that we could be identified. Yet another proof that “as a Muslim”, you dont even know what the religion is.
                      The more you talk, the better for others. :D

                      [Comment Edited]

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      – As far as the word race is concerned, race means ethnicity.

                      And? Is one ethnicity better than any other? I mean, you certainly think so, otherwise you would not say “his race could not develop much”. You’re using race to discriminate and that’s what i mean when I said I try not to think about races.

                      I am of the same ethnicity as you, but never ever will treat people as you do.

                  • blunt

                    i want to share something with u mr shahid
                    crisis in a country is not due to the Violence of Bad people, its due to the silence of GOOD people
                    by NIPOLIAN
                    I hope u will inspire as u already inspired western researches
                    and one thing more about ur ridiculous logic
                    FREEDOM?
                    freedom does not mean no limitations and
                    no implementions
                    no one can know wht type of freedom r u interpretd is it like a “JANGLE KA KANOON ” where a person can do each and every thing

                • pappu

                  Discrimination means wrongly pointing out something on basis of just stereotypes. I am talking about facts. How come is it discrimination?
                  And if i am differentiating useful posts from spam, you call it discrimination. My Lord…please give me Shahid’s brain for a minute. I want to dive deeper.
                  Allah clearly mentioned that he made tribes so that we could identify each other. Do you even know which verse am i talking about?
                  Just because i used the word “race”, you are trying to tell me that i am racist. hahah..But thats how you roll/troll. Nothing that surprised me.
                  And guess what? opponents of Islam use exactly that verse to call Muslims racists. They say Islam discriminates.
                  Calling pig a pig, is not discrimination. Its reality.
                  And please excuse me. I am not of same ethnicity as yours. You simple fail to understand the difference between ethnicity and nationality. I cant emphasize importance of elementary education enough..
                  What exactly are you trying to prove? You resort to religion to exact some serious allegations on me, and when i respond, you start a whole new story? Guess what? Dont respond to what i say. Your gibberish has eclipsed my solutions that would have helped many others, otherwise.
                  Leave everything aside (because you always leave almost 80% of my questions unanswered). Answer these question.
                  – Will Allah punish for watching p**n or not?
                  (I will not be surprised if you say “no”)
                  – Is there a solution to p**n problem or not?
                  (Although you have already said “no” yet i am asking it again. After all, if a problem does not have a solution, why would god punish for that? Needless to mention that He says in Qur’an that he is the BEST AND PERFECT when it comes to justice.)

                  • pappu

                    Possibly, you thought that i was calling you a chimpanzee (which dont have a much developed brain). And you felt insulted. I am sorry for this “racism” and “discrimination”.
                    Anyways, i was not portraying any such idea. I know that you are better than chimpanzees. No doubt about that. For instance, no known chimpanzee is an internet user especially, as avid internet user as you.

                  • Shahid Saleem

                    – Your gibberish has eclipsed my solutions that would have helped many others, otherwise.

                    I doubt that anyone who thinks that “males + porn = obviously more sexual violence” understands the problem well enough to have the right solutions. Clearly, the studies you deride set out to form a basis for a solution, and they came to a different conclusion than you did. Ignore them all you want, claim they don’t apply to this society all you want, but…you have no proof to support your claims.

                    Blather away, old chap.

                    • shahid

                      shahid saleem kabhi kisi ki sahi baat bhi maan liya karo PAPPU bilkul theek keh raha hai likin aap ki adaat hai har baat pe behes karney ki.

                    • pappu

                      Shahid! stop ignoring my questions where you dont have an answer. I am quoting :

                      Leave everything aside (because you always leave almost 80% of my questions unanswered). Answer these question.
                      – Will Allah punish for watching p**n or not?
                      (I will not be surprised if you say “no”)
                      – Is there a solution to p**n problem or not?
                      (Although you have already said “no” yet i am asking it again. After all, if a problem does not have a solution, why would god punish for that? Needless to mention that He says in Qur’an that he is the BEST AND PERFECT when it comes to justice.)

                      ?
                      These questions are not about your gender (which you prefer not to disclose for undisclosed reasons). I wonder why would you ignore so important questions which are just about ‘your’ understanding of Allah’s norms? I hope you did not want Islam to detail everything in Qur’an so that you need not to think.

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      – I wonder why would you ignore so important questions which are just about ‘your’ understanding of Allah’s norms?

                      Because these are questions I only need to answer to Allah for, not you. Now, if you hadn’t repeatedly tried to insult me, my race, my religious views, and members of my family, perhaps you would’ve gotten a reasonable reply.

                      Also remember when you said to “Stop using religion as a tool”? Follow your own advice.

                    • pappu

                      hahaha….my questions are meant to probe your mindset, not to award you a prize or punishment. You know how to refer to research studies in WEST, but do not know how to refer to religion. If you want to Answer to Allah only, why do you bother posting replies to my comments which were never meant for you in the first place? :D
                      You jump in a discussion, and then walk away that you are answerable to Allah only.
                      It is so easier to wear a face on neck, these days.

                    • pappu

                      I want to make you realize that p**n is a problem WITH a solution. You are good at finding ahadith that suit you. When will it be the time when you start looking for ahadith that negate your opinion? and starting using references beyond the internet world?
                      I hardly find any blog/website that mentions complete reference of ahadith / quaranic verses that it quoted.
                      People ask: How did Adam and Eve recognized God? Some say that they met him in person, others say that Allah puts a chip in brain which does some things out of the box. For instance, telling a new born baby how to breathe, making someone question whether there is a God – and who is He, differentiating between right and wrong using voice from human’s inner self, and much more. Have you ever paid attention to this feed that comes from ‘nowhere’ ? My questions are based on exactly that feed.

                    • request

                      shahid saleem Khuda k liye thori kam behes kiya karo kitna dimaagh khatey ho aap?thaktey nahi itnay comments kar kar k aur wo bhi intehai illogical comments.

  • Jawad Zubair Shaikh

    Aamir Bahi Jo Govt Abhi Tk
    Basic Problems Ni Solve Kr Saki Wo Baqi Problems Ka Kya Kray Gi
    Ye Sirf Apni Hakumaat Bachnay Main Hain
    Afsooooooos
    Govt Tu Govt
    Humari Awaam Bhi Kam Ni
    Jis Main Ma Bhi Shamil Ho Or Baqi Sub Bhi
    Hum Muslim Hotay Howay Bhi In Cheezon Se Baaaz Ni Atay

    Afssooooooooooos

  • Jawad Zubair Shaikh

    Admin Bro
    Ma ye ni kah raha k awaz na uthao
    zaror uthao
    but just article or message forward krne se kouch ni hota
    hum hi wo log hain jo in corrupt govts ko vote dayta hain or bad main api rotay hain
    Remember One Thing
    Quom Ki Taqdeer Tab Tk Ni Badalti Jb Tk Wo Api Kouch Na Kray
    Humain Apne Baray Main Souchna Chaye

  • Sheraz

    agr in sites ko block nai krna tu ye PTA or cyber security or iss tara k dosrty adary pakistan me kion bnay gy? in ka yahi maqsad hy k ye in sites ko block kary…

  • Saad malik

    correct that masjid to majid in opening para.

  • Monis

    you made a mistake in the first few lines.
    u unintentionally wrote Masjid insted of Majid

  • ahmed rabbani

    if cannot look upto any authority dan it is better to spread awareness about the bads of these sites…may b to personal health,social problems,long run problems after shadi etc thats the best solution we have riht now

  • http://www.pcac.edu.pk Mohib

    I believe that PTA will not take any action in this regard very soon. I got a suggestion. Some or may be many of the readers may disagree with me, but I think its the only solution available now.

    I think its time to bring our hacking skills to “Good” use. Instead of defacing Indian Government sites, our hackers should deface all the porn site they can get their hands on. I do not mean to promote hacking in any way. Like all the other readers here, I just want this curse of porn vanish from our society.

    • pappu

      Actually, they shall spend more time on looking for websites than that in hacking them.

      • BILAL

        ha ha ha… this is like a joke…
        bazar e husn main aag lag gae……
        fire brigade waly aagay
        kafi dair bad officer ny pucha KIA AAG PR QABU NAHE PAYA GYA…
        jawab mila… Fire is controlled.. but firemen are not in control..

  • Mani

    Blocking porn OR blocking any harm thing will not sort out the problem, in fact it will increase the demand so higher and will open 100 more routs to reach it.

    We’ve seen the efforts in the past, back to Zia,s govt, What happened???…. After restrictions we saw a sky rocketing demand of blue prints on VHS. In whole 80s, these VHS cassette were smuggled and distributed to every single street in the country, and Video-shop owners became millionaires by just supplying these materials to their costumers. (Police ka kharcha pani bhi khob chalta tha)

    And you can’t give us the examples of highly disciplinary countries like UAE an Saudia, (Hamare damaged aur corrupt system ko minimum 20 saal chaiye. tab kahi jaker hum in mulko k level tak phonch sakte hain. woh bhi agar hum aaj se puri imandari ka muzahira karien)

    (Ghor karne ki baat yeh hai k Rishwat, Milawat, Zakhira-Andozi, Naqal, Zina, Jhot, Dhoka aur in jaisi be-shumar buraiyan sirf hum logon mai kew highest level per mojod hain, aur kaise in masail se western countries ne najat hasil ki?. aur Islam jo in burayiyoon ki sakht muzammat karta hai, aaj ziyada tar Musalmanon hee mai yeh kew mojod hai?)

    Is ka jawab bilkul sada hai aur woh hai “Awareness and quality Education”
    agar kisi problem ko force ya censorship se rokne ki koshish ki jaye tu ulta reaction hota hai jis se demand aur ziyada hoti hai, aur agar awam me is k khilaf “Awareness” peda ki jaye tu result kuch aur nikle ga. Isi formula par amal kar k westrens ne itni taraqi ki, magar hum???

  • Shaheryar Hasan

    Listen guys if PTA is not blocking porn videos

    our internet provider can do,,,
    like all porn and sex and every thing will be blocked

    its in the hand or qubee wateen wordcall ptcl broadband etc etc…..

    Baat ye hai k koi agay nai ata baatein sub krtay hain
    Khair
    Amit bhai koshish achi hai… hum to dua he krskte hain
    baki is mulk ka AllAH HAFIZ

  • Farrukh

    Look, all you people asking for ban must have watched porn sometime in your life….think about it…

    I hate dualism in our society.

    • misa

      But it does not mean we should not ban these sits. this is some what natural but unethical and Govt shoud ban immediatley.

  • pappu

    When parents wait for around 30 years, before permitting their kids to get married, things like that are bound to happen. Social problems can only be uprooted by social means. Bans, blocks etc are not going to work.

    In case a ban is imposed, blogs and forums shall be flooded by proxies’ links and stuff. ‘Information’ shall travel from one person to another.

    Instead of bans etc, we should educate parents. They should not hold kids hostage in the name of job/career. Once a human is ‘baligh’, he should be allowed to get married. Otherwise, we know what happens. I guess Allah gave us this right. Right?

    As far as kids are concerned, parents should keep their computer at a visible place so that no one is able to hide anything. Places where ‘special’ material is available, should be raided and locked. For instance, markets, cafes, clubs, brothels etc.

    We give a mobile phone or a bike or a computer to kids as soon as they are born. We let them roam free and play national sport ‘poondi’. We let our sisters wear whatever they want. Why do we worry then?

    There is a long list of problems that should be addressed before we move to block p**n on internet. We should start with mending our family system and values.
    Either castrate males, or let them marry once they are ‘baligh’. Otherwise, there is NO solution.
    People tried to obstruct/eliminate file sharing. Today, file sharing is the biggest portion of internet data.

    Someone put it right. Empty/blank mind is house to Satan. Keep yourself busy, even if its video games, and you will do just fine.

    P.S. Please do not censor anything. Otherwise, my argument shall lose coherence (whatever i could manage to instill).

    • Saad Waseen

      XBOX360 yay!

    • Kashif

      +1

    • Shahid Saleem

      Ha ha, what a joke. You think women dont look at porn? You think married people dont look at porn? All about fixing society for you = fixing “males”.

      • pappu

        If its a joke, i have to ask whether your name is Ali Slaeem (Begum Nawazish Ali fame) or Shahid Saleem? You really need help. Just choose a doctor. I am ready to bear the expense.
        As far as females, elders, or married people etc are concerned, please keep your exclusive reports and personal experiences to yourself. I did not address those segments.
        Moreover, lets not prolong the discussion. After watching p**n, a female cant hurt someone else. Not true in case of males.
        And now, i have a question. Do you watch p**n? And do your kids do? I am asking so because you did not provide any solutions to the problem. Do you do anything at all except nit picking?

        • Shahid Saleem

          – If its a joke, i have to ask whether your name is Ali Slaeem (Begum Nawazish Ali fame) or Shahid Saleem?

          I think I said before: it is as real as your name. That makes us even.

          — I did not address those segments.

          And the question is why? Why do you think solving it for just males will solve the “porn problem”? Focussing on one segmant is not solution, everyone knows that.

          — After watching p**n, a female cant hurt someone else. Not true in case of males.

          The actual scientific research (not “imagined by pappu” researched) I posted to old propakistani forum was very clear: people who watch porn are less likely to commit sexual crimes. Not more likely, less likely. Research repeated in several countries in West, don’t know any similar attempt in Islamic countries. So what do you say now? I think you will just dismiss that without studying it. ignoring what doesnt agree with your already decided mental viewpoint, right?

          — And now, i have a question. Do you watch p**n?

          Maybe you should answer & also define porn. Some people think a “kiss” is pornographic. Maybe you are one of them! In that case, my answer is Yes. Almsot every western movie has a kiss.

          — I am asking so because you did not provide any solutions to the problem. Do you do anything at all except nit picking?

          I don’t want government peeking at my internet traffic or SMS traffic or telephone calls. That is all. Do you have a solution to porn that avoids government interfering with my life (and yours and everyone elses)? Dont lie and say you have nothing to hide. Everyone has something to hide (what is your CNIC? how much money do you have? etc)

          • pappu

            -Sofa based intellectuals dont understand that once they take up a problem, they should solve it step by step. Right now, you are talking about females and married people. Next, you will be talking about heejras, homos, and who knows what else.
            -Your cited research says that “people who watch porn are less likely to commit sexual crimes.”
            Do you need someone to do to research to determine what i said? i.e. “After watching p**n, a female cant hurt someone else. Not true in case of males.” I was just talking about a gender, not likelihoods and stuff.
            -My question was for you and your kids AS WELL. Do you watch porn? And instead of answering that clearly, you moved to western movies and stuff. Please limit yourself to the literal meaning of the word. Not regional adaptations.
            Anyways, i assume that your answer is “no”. But, how do you make sure that your kids are safe? Or, did you give them a green signal citing some western researches? :D
            -You are encouraged to read my full post (which is a joke in your opinion). Like i said, “Social problems can only be uprooted by social means. Bans, blocks etc are not going to work.”
            I have suggested different things and two major solutions. Unless you try them, you cant draw any conclusion. Feel free to revisit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
            -From your statement, i infer that you are okay to watch kiss scenes in movies. Please let me know what purpose do such scenes serve in a storyline? For educational/learning purposes?

            • Shahid Saleem

              – Do you need someone to do to research to determine what i said

              I merely point out that what you THINK is not reality. they did not THINK, they did actual research. Where is your published research. Oh right, you have none. Yet you still think males can hurt someone after watching porn (and what is so wrong about word “porn” that you must put stars in it?)

              • pappu

                Once again, you only saw one thing in my post and ignored everything else altogether. Since you did not answer my question, i will consider it an affirmative that you have allowed your kids to watch porn citing some research study. You must be an ‘ideal’ dad :D
                Now, don’t deny it. The time is past. M sure that you were introduced to p**n by your dad, and you are just passing the favor to your offspring.

                As far as my opinion is concerned, I haven’t come up with something untested. Those who were not deaf, and listened to me, are doing good.
                Keep waiting for research in Pakistan. I am sure you shall present it as an excuse to Allah for whatever you and your kids are doing.
                This thread is not for you, really. farewell.

                • Shahid Saleem

                  – Since you did not answer my question, i will consider it an affirmative that you have allowed your kids to watch porn citing some research study. You must be an ‘ideal’ dad :D

                  Excellent! Now you know i have kids. Oh wait, you don’t. You just assumed, and incorrectly.

                  Again, for the simple minded pappus out there: find a solution to your “porn problem” that does not involve the government looking at everyone’s traffic. That’s all I care about.

                  • pappu

                    You are 40 years of age, and not married. Hmmm….speaks volumes, about all sort of things. No wonder you shall keep on saying that there is no solution. You are really way too addicted.

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      Wrong, several times over.

                      But don’t let that stop you from speculating wildly, pappu! It’s more entertaining that way.

                    • pappu

                      You wrote yourself some days ago that you were 40. And forgot that? And i told you at that time that you were a liar, and you did not admit. Now, you did admit. Well, good going.

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      – You wrote yourself some days ago that you were 40.

                      This is what happens when you don’t pay attention to details. You lose, in public: http://goo.gl/20Qq7

                      — And i told you at that time that you were a liar, and you did not admit.

                      Who cares, really. I mean, you already called me atheist or qadiyani: http://imgur.com/a/j8xSU#FKunb

                      So what does that make one of us? For your benefit:

                      http://revivingthesunnah.blogspot.com/2010/03/calling-someone-kafir.html

                      You cannot take back what you have said…

                    • pappu

                      “You lose, in public:”
                      is there a contest going on? You are so obsessed with attention whoring. rofl :D
                      Unless one is blind, one can see what you said about your age. And now you have a problem when i quote you. OMG…what will public say…What will Geo TV and other channels say…i am so worried :D
                      I am calling you a liar citing what you have been saying. And you have shown new levels of hypocrisy. Objecting at others on their saving accounts in commercial banks when you yourself cant justify your own source of income. You know it very well that a in islamic jurisprudence, testimony of a liar is not admitted. And a hypocrite is not a Muslim in the first place. Its yours job to determine where you stand.
                      Still, i said that i suspect that you seemed to be either an atheist or an Ahmedi. I further added that truth was bound to surface “kisi na kisi din”. Suspect and convict, are two different words that mean differently. Really, why are you so desperate?
                      Using Islam for personal gains is a habit of some people. For instance, you are trying to apply a fatwa on me.
                      Derailing the discussion is the only thing you ever learned. For instance, instead of answering my question about you staying unmarried, in the wake of the views about p**n that you have, you started gibberish about some petty issues.
                      As far as my question is concerned, whether you are 40 or 39.9, does not matter. Answer what i asked. But why would you? No one married you for your delusional views.
                      Enough said, before you start a new rant about your personal problems where no pappus should interfere. But still, are you taking advice from Sheikh Rahid?
                      :D

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      – is there a contest going on?

                      No, because “lose” is not always the antonym of “win”.

                      (You lose again)

                      — Unless one is blind, one can see what you said about your age.

                      36 is “close to 40″. Am I 40? No. Pay attention to details pappu.

                      (I’m also not 36)

                      — I am calling you a liar citing what you have been saying.

                      Yeah, but you also called me a liar for claiming not to be 40, an illusion of your confusion. What other mistakes have you made, pappu?

                      — Objecting at others on their saving accounts in commercial banks when you yourself cant justify your own source of income.

                      I can, and have. But why do you think I have to justify any of it to you? Such arrogance, pappu.

                      — Suspect and convict, are two different words that mean differently.

                      Such wishy washy words, pappu. Of course they are different: you have no means to do the latter, and you never will. But because I do not 100% agree with you, and because I have (whether you acknowledge it or not) shown you to be not 100% correct, you suspect that I am not a Muslim speaks volumes about how you perceive other Muslims. Thus far you have brought up the possibility that I am one or more of the following:

                      — POSSIBLY not a Muslim
                      — POSSIBLY not married
                      — POSSIBLY watches porn
                      — POSSIBLY sterile
                      — POSSIBLY needs mental care
                      — POSSIBLY of a “weaker” race than yours

                      All I want is for the government to not look at my traffic. All I want for you, dearest pappu with fake propakistani name and fake facebook profile and fake yahoo email name, is to back up your claim that, on a societal level, male people do sexual violence after watching porn. Can you do that?

                      Cite away, blathering pappu!

                    • pappu

                      “36 is “close to 40″. Am I 40? No. Pay attention to details pappu.”
                      Oh well… so what does it actually mean when you say that you are “almost 40”? Whatever it is – your exact age, no one married you, a deranged being who is a threat to his ownself. You don’t know about your gender, let alone age. People born and bred on streets have no clue of themselves :D
                      “I can, and have. But why do you think I have to justify any of it to you? Such arrogance, pappu.”
                      Actually, you can’t justify your source of income. My point was “pot calling kettle black” and you seem not to appreciate that. After all, you accused me and many others on their savings account when your own income has a disputed source. It hurts you every time I mention that. But that’s what truth is.
                      “All I want for you, dearest pappu with fake propakistani name and fake facebook profile and fake yahoo email name, is to back up your claim that, on a societal level, male people do sexual violence after watching porn. Can you do that?”
                      Hahahahaha….sounds like you tried to find who was I, failed miserably :P What else do you expect from pappu? I am sorry for the time that you wasted.
                      And once more, you need a lesson on English language. Anonymous and fake are two different phenomena. Does it matter anyway? Will you reject wikileaks just because the source did not mention his name, address, email, facebook etc etc ? I am sure you will.
                      As far as the research is concerned, you yourself admitted that western researches don’t apply outside the society they were meant for. You brought them into discussion. You should prove that they are valid for Pakistani society. And if they cant be proved, my assertion shall stand true automatically. Either something can be ‘true” or “false”. I have already mentioned it that Aristotle knew logic centuries ago. And reading you, I can only deduce that your race could not develop much. (Please don’t think I am calling you a chimpanzee. You are off course better than them).
                      And don’t forget that when you act suspicious, you become a suspect. I am not the only one saying that. But it does not matter in the bigger picture. Just that the fatwa you tried on me, was as a futile attempt. Please leave those things to Allah. He can decide better than you. And avoid your brute forcing skills when it comes to religion. Stop using religion as a tool. Will you?

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      – After all, you accused me and many others on their savings account when your own income has a disputed source.

                      Well, I dont know how you make your income but i can tell you at some point or other it was not from halal source. Whose worried now? Not you.

                      — Hahahahaha….sounds like you tried to find who was I, failed miserably

                      Not at all. You post here as pappu, you email me with different name and your facebook profile has a third different name. I do not have to “search” for anything that is plainly obvious.

                      — Anonymous and fake are two different phenomena.

                      Sure but you can be (are) anonymous by using fake identity. Like you do. Like I do. The only problem here is, you think it is lies when I do it.

                      — Will you reject wikileaks just because the source did not mention his name, address, email, facebook etc etc ?

                      Try different example. I have known several wikileaks insiders since 1994, 12 years before they start it.

                      — And if they cant be proved, my assertion shall stand true automatically.

                      Complete failure on your part. This is what you call logic? HUH? Theories hypothesis, scientific method? HA HA. YOU ARE REALLY A TROLL. Cant you even read your own link???

                      Scientific method means you create hypothesis and then test it. If true, it becomes theory (until disproven or better theory comes along). You skipped hypothesis step and test step. Where is your control group, pappu? Where is your research data, pappu? I know you didnt rely on anyone else data because you dont know of any study done. Except of course the ones you deny.

                      In fact! you even used example of Ted Bundy instead of example from OUR SOCIETY!!! You used Western example to try and show studies I found do not apply here. Ha ha! Egg on face, pappu.

                      And really do something about your reading skills. I never said they dont apply here (can you point to comment where I definitely said that? no). I said I don’t know if they do. You don’t know, either BUT you assume they dont. Do you have a better theory that does apply? Not at all! Stubborn as they come.

                      — Please leave those things to Allah.

                      — Stop using religion as a tool. Will you?

                      Why do you lecture me on leaving things to Allah when you do not do the same? Yet another case of “do as i say not as i do” from pappu.

                      And it was not a fatwa, it was a hadeeth. Amazing you can’t even figure out difference between fatwa and hadeeth. Amazing, but normal for trolls.

                    • pappu

                      “Well, I dont know how you make your income but i can tell you at some point or other it was not from halal source.”
                      Oh really? You will say that for everyone around you. (In your case, you have admitted that you work in stock exchange). But I will take your advice. Please let me know how can tutoring (tuitions) and farming yield non-halal (aka haram) income? I am really worried. Please let me know if I can pay you something to get a fatwa as a workaround. You seem to be quite knowledgeable.
                      “The only problem here is, you think it is lies when I do it.”
                      Well I have talked about that info only (so far) that is available to “general public”. You disclosed many things yourself for instance that you were almost 40. And when you keep changing statements, what should I name that?
                      “Try different example. I have known several wikileaks insiders since 1994, 12 years before they start it.”
                      Thanks for adding to my info. Is there anything in the universe that you are not aware of / involved with? This is the first time that I have met an encyclopedia. So I am only curious.
                      “In fact! you even used example of Ted Bundy instead of example from OUR SOCIETY!!!”
                      You were talking about researches in West. Right? I used a counter example of TED Bundy because he was a westerner and a very high profile case. And I was building my point on basis of “proof by contradiction” technique. Not scientific research methodology (which demands doing a research following procedures). Do you perform context switching frequently?
                      “Why do you lecture me on leaving things to Allah when you do not do the same? Yet another case of “do as i say not as i do” from pappu.”
                      I said
                      “Just that the fatwa you tried on me, was as a futile attempt. Please leave those things to Allah. He can decide better than you. And avoid your brute forcing skills when it comes to religion. Stop using religion as a tool. Will you?”
                      And you only picked one half of my sentence. Guess what? It is common behavior among haters of religions. They just pick one thing that suits their propaganda. I wonder why are you doing the same?
                      And please stop telling me that I don’t know the difference b/w a fatwa and hadith. Fatawa are based upon Quarn and hadith. The link you posted was that of a blog. Ironic that you did not notice that it was devoid of a proper reference. Just mentioned the names of hadith books. Why so much “khula tazaad”? Seems like most of your knowledge originates from such ‘sources’. Anyways, this hadith does exist and undisputed scholars have issued fatwas. They are my sources. One URL, that I can paste, is
                      http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=216&CATE=13
                      You cant just pick a hadith and use it. For instance, the hadith that you cited can be easily used by munafiqeen and mufsideen to stop others from unmasking/exposing them. Ahadith had contexts, not just random thoughts (as alleged by opponents of Islam). If an imam mentioned a hadith, he also mentioned its context with sanad (fiqh term).
                      And guess what? Zaid zaman hamid (laal topi fame) uses exactly this hadith when people tell him that was among cronies of yousuf kazzab.

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      – (In your case, you have admitted that you work in stock exchange)

                      Which is halal.

                      Do you think 0% of the people you teach tution for pay you with 100% halal money? You bury your head in sand and dont ask where they earned their money, right?

                      Wow, I see I have to repeat my self a hundred times to get into your head.

                      — You were talking about researches in West. Right? I used a counter example of TED Bundy because he was a westerner and a very high profile case.

                      Yes, I used example of research ON A SOCIETAL LEVEL, not on an INDIVIDUAL LEVEL. I also explained (and the studies also say this) that what they found was true for societies at large, not individuals.

                      So how can you use example of individual to counter study of society? Especially studies you have not even read?

                      Oh wait, I forgot, you’re a troll, that’s how you can do that.

                      — And please stop telling me that I don’t know the difference b/w a fatwa and hadith.

                      It would help if when I show you hadeeth you do not call it fatwa, right? But again we know how much you care about getting details right. 36, 40, nearly 40, all same for you, right?

        • Shahid Saleem

          – I am asking so because you did not provide any solutions to the problem.

          Also I don’t have a technological solution to this problem. No one does. NO ONE DOES.

          It’s social issue, 100%.

          But so what? Your “solution” does not address problem either.

        • me

          hahahahahaha kia jawab diya hai PAPPU aap ney SHAHID saleem ko shabash ,dil khush kar diya .SHAHID saleem is hi kabil hai .

    • Muhammad Saad

      I agree with pappu.
      There are alot of things that force a person to watch porn or things that fulfill his/her sexual desires. The most important thing is to keep yourself busy as much as you can in healthy activities. I consider job and and study business also as a good usage of time.

      Sab batun ki aik bat, agr hum apnay islam ko he sahi se samjh lein tu hamein kisi ban ki zarurat nae paray gi, hum khud he ghalat cheesun ko apnay oper ban karlein gay.
      No one will correct us, we have to do the correction within ourselves.

      • Shahid Saleem

        – There are alot of things that force a person to watch porn or things that fulfill his/her sexual desires.

        the only “force” involved here is lack of willpower. That is not an external force, that is internal.

        No one forces anyone to watch porn. Please do not use word “force”.

        • Kennnn

          shahid saleem fozoul main demagh ki dahi na banao.aur plzzz kam comment kiya karo propakistani pe .

        • Muhammad Saad

          Well, that was a childish reply by you Mr. Shahid.
          I recommend you to stay focus on the real issue rather than blathering.
          And please don’t “FORCE” yourself to participate in this mature discussion. It won’t do any good to you.
          Thanks in advance.

          • Shahid Saleem

            Nothing childish about it. Every time someone wants a website or content banned, they act as if they are FORCED to view it. No one types url into their browser but them. No one clicks on link to get to site but them.

            There is no “force” involved here.

            • Muhammad Saad

              According to your theory, alcoholic drinks and pork should also be allowed here as no one FORCES us to eat/drink against our will.
              Is that what you were trying to explain Mr. Shahid?
              Please elaborate.

              • pappu

                p**n is an exception in his world. And he will never talk about alcohol or pork etc. They are prohibited in Qur’an and hadith with mention of exact nouns.
                Oh wait..he might still come up with an argument that alcohol and pork are edibles while p**n is spiritual, and kissing is beneficial (i am using poetic license here).

              • Shahid Saleem

                – According to your theory, alcoholic drinks and pork should also be allowed here as no one FORCES us to eat/drink against our will.

                You are attributing to me what I have not said.

                I never said porn should be allowed. Can you point to any place where I even implied that?

                I merely pointed out that no one is forced to watch it.

                Can you tell me anyone who is forced to watch porn? Do you know definition of word “forced”? Coerced? Against their will?

                Please elaborate on how you jumped from my comment to thinking I want porn freely available to all.

                • Muhammad Saad

                  Though you’ve not said, it doesn’t mean that you don’t “MEAN” it.
                  It isn’t necessary to say everything.
                  And yes, you want porn freely available to all thats why you’re against the consideration of banning porn sites.

                  • Shahid Saleem

                    I’ll note that you can’t explain how you are “forced” to watch porn.

                    — And yes, you want porn freely available to all thats why you’re against the consideration of banning porn sites.

                    which, if you read my posts, is not true. I have already said “ban all you want”. I simply dont want people watching my traffic (or yours).

                    • Muhammad Saad

                      I’ll note that you can’t explain how you are “forced” to watch porn.

                      I’ve already explained Mr. Shahid.(ask me for the reference please)

        • A Muslim

          Lack of will power +1

    • Desi

      ^^ thank you for nice reply

  • http://www.nawaiwaqt.com.pk Qamar

    Chahe sari porn sites bnd kar dan.social networking mobile mms tv han na.hamari qaum patli gali dhondh lete hai.ALLAH sub par rahem farmae.ameen.

  • Kashif

    Its depend on person to what they want,not need censor,azadi b koi chez hoti hy,mujy propakistani se ye umeed nahe thi aiska name protaliban hona chahye

  • Ejaz Latif

    ni dost us azadi ka koi faida ni jis mein nazm o zabt na ho, pemra ko cable tv chennels pe moderate level ki regulation karni chahiye ur PTA ko b internet ki regulation karni chahiye.is k sath infradi tor pe ghar pe parents ko ye zimadari nibhani chahiye k wo apny bachon pe nazar rakhein

  • Faizan

    Awareness always trumps restriction.
    Say what ever you want, wearing a tin foil hat did little good to anyone.

    • Saad Waseen

      +1

  • Jamal Shah

    سچ کیا ہے ؟
    پی ٹی اے نے کروڑوں روپے لٹا کر وائس اوور آئ پی بلاک کرنے کا منصوبہ بنایا صرف پی ٹی سی ایل اور کچھ ایل ڈی آی آپریٹرز کو فائدہ کی لیے …لیکن شرطیہ آج بھی آپ وائس اوور آئ پی پاکستان میں استعمال کر سکتے ہیں .
    لیکن بدنیتوں کی نیت خود بولتی ہے ..ان ویب سیٹس کو بلاک کرنے کے لیے پیسا ختم ہونے کا بہانہ … کیوں کی ہماری نسل خراب ہو انکی بلا سے ..
    لیکن فکر نہ کریں xxx ڈومین انے دیں پی ٹی اے کو نہ کہتے ہووے بھی xxx ڈومین بلاک کرنے پڑیں گے .
    یہ انہی ویب سیٹس کا کمال ہے کہ پاکستان میں فحاشی اور سیکس کرنے کے لیے ویبسیٹس عام ہیں ، حتیٰ کے اسلام آباد ، لاہور م، کراچی میں ان لوگوں کی واکس ، اور پرائیوٹ پارٹیز ہوتیں ہیں .

  • Aman Pir

    If PORN is blocked then all the ISP’s and internet service providing companies will go in losses.

    • Shahid Saleem

      I think they will be fine. But if some isp block or limit p2p their customers will go somewhere else. If all block, then it will become major concern.

  • WooHoo

    Ban, Ban, Ban!!!!! Ban it, Ban it!

    I want a ban for porn, but legalize prostitution. Let’s begin with baby steps. Has ‘Hera Mandi’ in Lahore been closed? No. Why? Isn’t that porn in reality? But since that is visited by each Mulla and the sheep, we need that.

    Banning porn is going to cleanse this nation? Alcohol is banned. Not available as a consumer product. Yet, Pakistan has alcohol drinkers equalling any developed country where its legal. Benefit for country: zero.

    Those calling for ban are the ones with poor wills. Who cannot control their own minds and actions. The West legalizes these things with tax systems in order to increase revenue for the country; revenue that can be used for development and maintenance. We just want to ban everything so that black market dealers prosper.

    The only Ban required is on lectures by hypocrites, politicians and so-called religious leaders. Ban those and tell everyone to study before forming their opinion, so that it is unique and not just because that is what they have been told.

    It is human nature to go after what they are told is unachievable. The more the blockade, the more it becomes to gain.

    Ban life. Let’s just go to Hell!

    • Salves to Allah’s Will Not Humans

      I see your point.

      But your logic to NOT ban these things is not sound.

      Because when things that are bad for us are allowed they wreck havoc. See developed nations where they are allowed.

      Large percentage of crimes are done under the influence of Liquor.

      Large segment of youth is drug addict.

      Criminals kill, rape and rob to buy more drugs or fulfill some other evil desire..

      Powerful Elites want this to continue in nations where they are legalized. Because that makes them money. In US porn is multi billion dollar industry.

      Now come to countries where they are not legal.

      You may have seen wide spread of drugs and liquor in Islamic counties as well, but that is a result of NOT enforcing ban and NOT a result of ban.

      Think of it this way.

      By your logic, government should not interfere how we decide what is good and bad for us.

      So, If I have no fear of law, society, Allah etc then we’ll do what we want. That is very dangerous for a society.

      In England ALL people stop at the signal not because they want to but because they fear the law. Traffic laws are Forcefully implemented. It is not for drivers to decide whats good or bad for them.

      Look deeply to what societies, including ours, that are under western influence are becoming.

      Do you want to see you children be influenced by the same philosophy that is okay with incest, porn, rape, lies, deception and huge list of evils? Imagine you children being okay with Incest.

      If you are Muslim then know Muslim means to surrender your will to the will of the Creator.

      Allah knows best what is bad and good for us.

      Be sincere in your quest to know the TRUTH.

      • Kennnn

        GOOD point yar .likin yahan is blog kuch bandey hain na jo apnay aap ko “ROSHAN KHAYAL” samjhtey hain wo darasal besharam hain un main sharam o haya hi nahi rahi. aaj ki Nojawan nazal dekho kitni begar rahi hai kisi ko parwa hi nahi. isey kaam hongay tu hi AZAAB atey hain ,phir bhi AKAL main nahi ati is logon k :SSS

  • Hassan

    what does PTA stands for, Pakistan Telecommunication Authirity, and Pakistan is an Islamic republic of Pakistan.
    apni Authority ke naam ki he sharam kar lo aur khud aisi sites ko block kar do, so that awam ko na khna pare, agr tmhari income kam ho jaegi to kia hua, income to sirf duniya tak mehdood hai.
    shame on PTA, dont call urself PTA, kiun k iss main Pakistan ka naam ata hai.

  • Maqsood Ahmad

    If anything, the government needs to block all these jihadi extremists websites. Pornography is quite a lesser evil compared to the terror and propaganda being spread these days.

    • Shahid Saleem

      Good point. When was the last time you heard of someone being radicalised by porn and blowing themselves up? Never!

      • Cham

        Both are evil.

        Why don’t you and likes of you play porn freely in your homes with family? (I have read some Europeans do that. They are okay with incest)

        After all Porn is a small evil ;)

        • Shahid Saleem

          Please don’t judge me unless you really know me. If you open your eyes you will see I have never defended porn sites or porn site operators or anything related to porn industry.

          go to top of comments and read my first comment. That is my only point I have defended repeatedly.

          • pappu

            yes no judgments about shahid, please. We don’t know him. In fact, i doubt, he himself does not know about even his gender. Hence, at one place, he states
            “I’d rather not say”.
            Shahid, do you have an ID card? khawaja sara community went to courts to avail the facility. Dont know what happened next.
            And please, dont say that you were messing with your profile (once again) and messed up your gender and became a heejra. I will not feel sorry for you. I will laugh at that.
            http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/sdolfd.png/
            And now you shall claim that the image is fabricated. Rest assured that i will be releasing factual things one by one like wikileaks, at the right time :D

            • Shahid Saleem

              – Rest assured that i will be releasing factual things one by one like wikileaks, at the right time :D

              Looking forward, old chap.

              • pappu

                You bet.

  • Khalid

    It Must be blocked.
    Ammar bil maroof or nahi anil munkar ka shadeed takaza.

    We should save our generation’s future.

  • Omer

    And, what makes you think that our immoral, corrupt and sub standard Government Officials (and even people in PTA) don’t enjoy watching porn to block it?
    AND, WHEN PEOPLE WILL HAVE JOBS AND SOME CONSTRUCTIVE ACTIVITY, THEY WILL THEMSELF DIVERT ATTENTION FROM PORN.

  • Junaid Tanoli

    Well Done Aamir you did a fine job by exploiting these things,At least people will get aware of these things and then we will be able to realize our government how serious this issue is.PTA can do every thing but their hands are tied by corrupt government.

  • Kashif

    I am going to use proxies to watch whatever i like. It’s my right i can watch whatever i want on INTERNET. i should be able to watch taliban beheading videos to porn.
    What will be difference between TV and INTERNET after censoring ?

    • http://propakistani.pk khalid

      But we must watch our childern not to avail these porn “totays” on their mobile sets, resulting they have done all these blunders,by exchanging each others xxxvids/making each others/self xxxvids and then distributing amonest their group….

      Kia hamain iss kay baray mein sochnaa naheen chaheiy.????????????

      • Kashif

        yes, Internet should be open to adults only. we should not let our children surf INTERNET privately

        • pappu

          Sounds like discrimination. :D

        • http://Propakistani.pk Khalid

          Thanks You Very Much Kashif & Pappu! But should Mr. Saleem also accept our plea instead of backing porn just because of his/her private life……

          • Shahid Saleem

            Excuse me, but I don’t back porn.

    • Shahid Saleem

      And what will they do when government tunes their filtering system to scan for attempts to bypass? Will they stop you from using IPSEC? SSH? They already want people to register use of VPN!

  • Shami

    We appreciate this effort regarding porn site to block in Islamic Republic of Pakistan, as we being Muslim need together effort regarding this matter.May Allah help us and success us against Shetan mardood.

  • Dimensional

    Internet is another form of MEDIA! Every Media source has some code of conduct to follow. Just as one can publish nudity in the newspapers or TV channels, similarly one cannot advertise such stuff on internet.

    Now lets come to blocking of the stuff. If can block a porn site, then u can also block anti- government, anti social, anti xyz contents.

    So blocking is not what is required!

    What is Required then?

    Policing is required.

    The Cyber Crime unit of FIA should hunt the operators of such advertisers and give them sever punishment as per Pakistani Laws of spreading nudity/sexual and such contents within Pakistan.

    So next time no one dare to offer such services on internet.

    Simple! isnt it?

    But, Billi ki gerdan mein ghanti kon baandhey gaa???

    • Shahid Saleem

      Heh funny. I would like to see government of Pakistan try to convict some small porn site operator in New York.

      Complete was of government and court time. What will they ask for next, extradition of porn stars to Islamabad???

      • Saad Waseen

        “What will they ask for next, extradition of porn stars to Islamabad???”

        YOU WISH! :D

  • Danish

    Salam to every one,
    Yar hum aksar kehtay hain k awaam samnay nahin ati ya awaam saath nahin deti or hum log ghar mae chup k bethay rehtay hain zra ye bhi to socho hum bhi isi mulk ki awam ka hissa hain or hum samnay nahin ayen gay to kon samnay aye ga batain karnay say kuch nahin hota is porn karobar ko roknay k liye koi musbat iqdam uthana paray ga…

  • Ahmed

    I was not surprised to see the SMS that is being spread. Porn is already prevalent in our society, the only logical next step is to act out, and what better way than prostitution.

    PTA should definitely take legal action against those promoting prostitution through SMS. But I think extrapolating it to internet will do more harm than benefit.

    Suppose we buy some firewall, and block all of the pornographic sites. What are the odds that PTA won’t come under the pressure of political institutions and block FACEBOOK, TWITTER, OR SOME VIDEO ON YOUTUBE, OR SOME OTHER SOCIAL OUTLET, for their own benefit. It has happened in past. Case in point : The Zardari shut up video, and our army beating ruthlessly some molvies, both of these videos were banned by our very own country. Imagine having centralized this control. And remember, these videos were only blocked for us, the rest of the world were mocking!

    Also there is an obvious solution staring right at our faces by which we can circumvent the firewall our country is intending to spend a lot of money on. Do you really think a Porn addict will stop using porn once a forceful, but obviously easily, wall has been put between him and porn?

    And, our country is in a very fragile time right now. Implementing such a thing, will be like announcing to the world “We are gonna block whatever our majority won’t like”. Giving other nations another reason to ridicule us.

    We have to approach this problem differently. It is a social problem involving an addiction (Porn addiction is very similar to heroin, cocaine addiction.). We can not implement a ban on Porn, because it will only worsen our pornified nation. Suppose 100 people use porn online, you put a firewall, 70 of them will use proxy, the rest will switch to locally available dvd/cd pornography. Some others will just check out of curiosity, after all, our nation banned Porn, there will be a huge hub hub internationally and in our own media. The local pornography market will boom. Addicts HAVE to get their fix, whatever the means. Remember, if you take a heroin addict he will KILL for drugs, is it really unlikely for a porn addict to switch to prostitution. The morality is already down the drain.

    The problem is exponentially bigger than we realize. If we are ever to fix this problem, we need to spread awareness. Internet is available for 840 Rs Per month, and our elders think that internet is like this huge collection of knowledge helpful in studying, unbeknownst to them, it is also the center of unimaginable indecency. Spread awareness across generations, don’t subdue sexuality as if it doesn’t exist talking about it helps a great deal, and switch to positive outlets to counter this negative.

  • Stop Blaming Start Doing

    PTA : Ban Adult Web sites
    Parma : Ban TV channels and Dramas , Fashion shows , Indian Channels
    Mobile Operators: Close Night Packages
    Mobile phone with camera should be ban . why we do spying on others and captured their pics and videos and upload.
    Ban black tint car mirrors

    Why we always blame Gov to Ban something which we ourselves know is bad ,is wrong and against Shariyyat and Islam ..
    Because it is easy to say and difficult to do it by own self…

    ok one thing we all know being Muslim that Namaz is Faraz (no relaxation) … we called 5 time to come for Namaz why dont we go there … because self doing is difficult …

    How many of us dont like to have a girl friend…? Might be very few

    How many of us dont know that bank interest is Haram and totally equal of eating Pig and drinking Alcohal … mostly

    How many of us know it is equal order for male and female to keep their eyes down .not to look on opposite sex….

    How many of us ever read the Quran with meaning and Hadeess books to get the knowledge …
    Why we always say these are movies , those miss guiding and miss leading us … being a muslim it is our own responsibility to improve our knowledge so that we could not be deceived by any illiterate Molvi or scholar.

    Brothers there are thousands of things there , those we know are Haram , bad for society and our upcoming generation but as those belongs to our own self.

    That’s why we do not oppose them….

    Start it by your own self … and dont impose people to stop.. Educate them so that they could stop things by them selves…

    May Allah bless Muslim Ummah

    • A Muslim

      +1

  • http://sms808.blogspot.com Muneer Ahmad

    Plz Block Porn Sites…

  • http://sms808.blogspot.com Muneer Ahmad

    That Shahid saleem is a american agent.

  • :@ shahid saleem

    yahan sirf aik hi banda hai jo chahata hai k porn ban na ho aur wo hai SHAHID SALEEM. hasb e mamoool sirf wo hi sab k khilaaf baat kar raha hai.jab k 99% loog is baat pe mutafiq hain k PORN sites ban honi chaiye .

  • PTA

    No, We wont be blocking it. Stop using internet!

    • Hamayun Khan

      Y shouldn’t u.We r Muslims and still we have access to all this shit.These things are even block in US and Canada. These are not just what internet says this is according to there nationals.

      Well I think u r waiting to make a mistake again to make these things more common.

      • Shahid Saleem

        – These things are even block in US and Canada.

        Wrong.

        And besides what THEY block is not always relevant to US. We do not live by their culture & laws, they do not live by our laws. It is a mistake to do what they do without thinking about it in depth.

        • pappu

          Hence, any research done by them is not going to be plausible in our country. So please stop citing any of those studies.

          • Shahid Saleem

            Read carefully. I said “mistake to do what they do WITHOUT THINKING in depth.” That is not same as “don’t do what they do because it won’t apply.” How do you know it won’t apply.

            Newsflash: pappu thinks all western research on A/C voltage won’t apply to our country!!!

            • me

              plzz BAN porn sites and plzzzz admin ban shahid saleem`s comments also ,I hate shahid saleem comments and his cheap thinking .shahid saleem ko hamesha apna khayal ata hai ALLAH ka nahi,facebook wali post pe keh raha tha k “youtube bhi choorini parey gi phir ” haan shahid saleem tu kuch na choro bas DUNIYA main mazay karo .Likin KIAMAT k din jawab sooch lena k ALLAH ko kia jawab do gay. Mazay karo aap shahid mazay karo duniya main…..

              • Shahid Saleem

                When Google Go Language was launched, their introduction videos were on Youtube. Guess what, the mailing list soon had posts from people in China and other places where Youtube is banned.

                I’ve learned from many Google Tech Ed videos. Also There is Salman Academy. You want to block that too?? Of course you do — you dont have anything to learn.

            • pappu

              You are not a newborn. I am talking about the research studies you cited above.
              You wrote it “It is a mistake to do what they do without thinking about it in depth.” and still take asylum in “western research” safe haven. Hypocrisy no matter how i view it.
              And how do you know that it will apply? if i haven’t proved that it will not apply?
              P.s.
              Your attempt at attention whoring is just too childish. I am sure everyone across the globe saw the news flash. Do you have anything else to vomit?

              • Shahid Saleem

                – And how do you know that it will apply? if i haven’t proved that it will not apply?

                You never will.

                Ignoring research just because it is “western” is a mental disease. Did you study their research and find it won’t apply? No, you dismissed it without any investigation.

                Just like I said you would. That is your mentality.

                I would not ignore any real scientific research, no matter where in the world it comes from. Today, doctors know very well how long a person can survive if they (for example) accidentally fall into a freezing lake or river. Or exposure to low temperatures. Hypothermia. How do they know this? Because some doctors in Nazi Germany used to experiment on death camp prisoners by putting them into freezing water or freezing cold without clothes to see how long they lived for. Today EVERYONE in the world relies on Nazi Germany’s findings for hypothermia treatment even though almost no one approves of Nazis.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation#Freezing_experiments

                If you get stuck up on “oh i wont listen to these people because they live in west” then you are not part of the solution at all.

                • pappu

                  Research for a society, applies to that society only. Outcome of a research stays a “theory”, and does not become a scientific law. But you wont understand. That’s why i emphasize good elementary education.
                  Do i really need to do do research to understand that research for a western society is not going to work in Pakistani society? Research is done using samples, not whole population. Moreover, a research done in one year may output different results in the next year. And guess what? as long as something has not happened, its probability of happening is 1/2, and that of “not happening” is 1/2. Go figure.
                  You were talking about research on p**n and for some reason, started to compare it with medical research. Do you think human anatomy change with region? Well, again, lack of education is the reason. I don’t blame you. Medical research on humans is obviously going to work for whole human society across the globe. How naive of you to confuse yourself at such a common sense stuff.
                  And yes, i am not part of western solution, because its the foundation stone of plethora of new problems no matter how many regulations you make. Some things just dont work when govt. is a chicken. For instance, was underage smoking ban ever enforced in Pak? No. There are many such examples.

                  • Shahid Saleem

                    Whatever, dude. Keep thinking porn = males committing violence. It may be true for individuals, but for societies, no known positive correlation exists.

                    • esc

                      pappu jeet gaya shahid saleem haar gaya.pappu aap ki sooch bhot achi hai aur shahid saleem k commments illogical hain.

                    • pappu

                      And you will keep thinking that outcomes of a research study establish a law instead of a theory (in scientific terms).
                      Please note that whatever research you find, to justify your fantasies, is nothing but a deception. There is a technique called proof by contradiction. Your proposition is that “p**n has nothing to do with males being violent”. And you refer to research studies for the purpose (lack of elementary education makes you believe that a research yields a law, not a theory). Just by using the example of Ted Bundy, I prove that your proposition is not true. And when it is not true, it can only be false. Centuries ago, Aristotle knew logic & reasoning. Unfortunately, your race did not learn anything from him. I pity you.
                      I can go on an on. For instance, premerital but consensual copulation in several Western countries is not prohibited. What about countries like Pak? Where you can’t even kiss publicly (whether married or not)?
                      It just amazes me when i see your self-righteousness turn you blind to reality. Alas! common sense is not common these days.

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      – Your proposition is that “p**n has nothing to do with males being violent”. And you refer to research studies for the purpose (lack of elementary education makes you believe that a research yields a law, not a theory).

                      Wrong. I never refered to a study that set out to prove any such conclusion. In fact the results of the studies were AGAINST expectations. People expected to see a positive correlation between sexual violence and porn, and saw a negative correlation or no effect instead.

                      — Just by using the example of Ted Bundy, I prove that your proposition is not true.

                      You are as good at logical reasoning as you are at reading. Let me repeat: “It may be true for individuals, but for societies, no known positive correlation exists.”

                      — I can go on an on.

                      If you can ACTUALLY SHOW a positive correlation, your comments will have meaning. Otherwise, you’re just random commentor on blog. Continue to blather away inconsequentially.

                    • pappu

                      lol man..you change colors so quickly. :D
                      But you at least learned that the research studies just formulate theories. I am hopeful. Just that some people have a very tricky learning curve.

                      “If you can ACTUALLY SHOW a positive correlation”
                      I am not set to show anything. My effort is to save you from hallucinations related to research studies.
                      Will you please clearly mention your stance in a single post? and in concise form? and not resorting to any research done in a totally different society?
                      “Otherwise, you’re just random commentor on blog. ”
                      And if i were a random commenter on a blog, you would not have paid much attention. And don’t worry, i am not asking you to admit anything in that context. You are still under the illusion that our discussion is a contest. Hence the reason you told me “you lose in public”. hahahaha
                      Ah! “you win, i lose”
                      World cup aap ka howa
                      Send me your mailing address. I have to send you the trophy.

                    • sal

                      SHAHID SALEEM plzz LEAVE propakistani.pk ,main aap ka bhot shuakr guzaar hoon ga ,plzz leave shahid plzzz its my request because i hate ur comments.

        • Hamayun Khan

          Ohh so u dont agree….

          so listen US dont want there youth to be physically and mentally week so they block all these stuff but the thing is as they are more involve in the technology too so they ultimately use proxies to access these things but if u still dont agree ask any one from over there. U ‘ll definitely get ur answer.

          • Shahid Saleem

            No one in the US blocks this stuff. How can they block it when they host and produce most of it? Makes no sense.

            All filtering for this is either mandatory (like in corporate environments where you should be working not looking at other sites or government offices) or voluntary. But for the general public in US, there is no governemnt body similar to our PTA that blocks this stuff.

            • pappu

              Because they already have laws in place and a very effective legal system to prosecute violations. Hence the reason they have rating agencies to determine suitability of content, even video games. Is anything of that sort possible in this country? Never. We dont even follow traffic rules that were made for our own safety. In that context, some people ask for a ban (which is not my opinion).

              • Shahid Saleem

                – Because they already have laws in place and a very effective legal system to prosecute violations.

                And there are no laws against porn or requiring filtering for porn for general public.

                • pappu

                  “Because they already have laws in place and a very effective legal system to prosecute violations. ”
                  Do you see only one half of sentence? if they have legalized anything, they know how to catch violations.
                  As a side note, they have not allowed p**n for general public. Its 18+ (unless you think that people lesser than 18 years of age don’t constitute public.

                  • Shahid Saleem

                    – As a side note, they have not allowed p**n for general public.

                    What you consider porn might be only PG-13 for them.

                    • pappu

                      haahaha…sorry that i corrected you on the fact that kids are also included in the term “general public”. You always hit back fiercely when someone points out your mistakes. Quite amusing.

                      Food for thought:
                      http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=porn
                      Please inform me, what literary and artistic value do k**s scenes carry in storyline in a movie? After all, you watch ‘em as mentioned by your highness.
                      Oh well, Princeton must be wrong. Shahid Saleem is right. :D

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      I watched a movie while back where there was a car chace scene with video of drivers shifting gears (death race 2). That had no literary or artistic value. By your questioning, why are you not asking me about that too?

                      You know I did ask you if you consider a kiss to be porn. By your own link, it is not porn. By your repeated questioning though, it seems that you are bothered by kisses.

                      Do kindly note that the definition on the page says “of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire”. the last bit is important and alters your question to make it meaningless.

                    • Gul

                      sahid saleem waseey tu aap bara Hadees ka hawala detay ho, likin porn web sites band karna nahi chah rahay hoo aap?:@@@ intehai beysharmi ki baat hai ye sharam ani chaiye aap ko.plzz block all porn web sites.

                    • pappu

                      Again, derailing as always…
                      When driver is shifting gears in a car chase, and directors show that, they want to show that the driver is putting his car to its limits in heat of competition. It makes the movies closer to reality. Otherwise, you know what happens when directors miss tiny details i.e. pakistani movies are born.
                      I am bothered because kiss scenes dont just stop there like good-bye kisses. They are used as foreplay. But since you have no problem with such scenes, you shall never understand my stance. Do you want me to post examples of such scenes to make my points across your thick head? I am sorry, but i am not a pervert.

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      – It makes the movies closer to reality.

                      Oh, I see. Kisses for not goodbye are not close to reality. I understand, pappu.

                    • pappu

                      Seems like you do not understand what foreplay means.
                      Anyways,Please refer to the definition again
                      http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=porn
                      When a ki** scene leads to foreplay, it qualifies as porn. Now dont tell me that you cover your eyes when that happens.

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  • TecomPK

    Usually, posts on propakistani get approx 10 comments. a stronger story gets 30-40. Hardly anything unusual gets to 70+ comments – and this is one of them, w/ aggressive paragraphs and discussion in comments. No wonder porn gets people excited! LOL! :P

  • http://averyverybigsite knows2much

    What? block porn & kill ~75% of telecom/tech business in Pakistan: reduce ~80% of data traffic Pakistan, reduce ~65% of Pakistani web presence in the world? what are you smoking?

    I suggest you subscribe to some good annual internet stats report, see the data, then speak out.

    There’s a reason Google stopped publishing full trends data for Pakistan some time ago, to save us some embarrassment in the world (hint: no prize for guessing which country has always been the top porn searcher in the whole world)

    p.s. retrying to send this comment, last one didn’t go through I think. Apologies.

    • Saad Durrani

      Dear Fellow,

      It seems you have been smoking the same thing that the writer does. Google itself claimed that Google Trends is an unreliable source of information.

      • http://averyverybigsite knows2much

        Hehehe… okayyyy. (how ironic) ;)

  • BEWARE OF PEOPLE ONLINE!!

    CHECK THIS LINK
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdU4c9ndgZA
    AND SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING ON ONLINE FORUMS AND BEWARE OF THESE ONLINE RAYMOND AND DAVIS’S!!

  • absentee landlord

    u cant control the internet.. dream on..

    • Asif

      how it is control, go to Gulf middle east and see , you wont say that again.

      • Shahid Saleem

        Everyone there knows of proxies and bypasses of their filters. That means only casual person is “controlled” but people who look for stuff online are not.

        • pappu

          Shahid! You have been to several countries abroad. I hope you dont have an investigation pending against you :D

          • Shahid Saleem

            No, just one investigation by someone on propakistani.

            • ESc

              aur is tarah PAPPU jeet gaya ayr SHAHID saleem haar gaya.pappu i like ur thinking yar.shahid saleem aap aaik ______ ho. shahid saleem KIAMAT main soocho ALLAH ko kia jawab do gay .

              [Comment Edited]

            • pappu

              well, there is a difference b/w investigation and identification. When the matter is related to religion, we should know the credibility of a ‘scholar’ (something i term as “makeshift intellectual”) presenting his expert opinion.

              • Shahid Saleem

                You won’t even post your name or your sources. So, why is your opinion worth anything again?

                • shahid

                  shahid saleem aap bilkul ghalat ho aur PAPPU bilkul theek keh raha hai.

                • pappu

                  Does my name add credibility to my opinion especially when it is over internet? What if i write “Razzak Mitha” instead of name?
                  As far as my sources are concerned, i have not talked about anything new. Further, they are 100% working for me and others who nourished.
                  I always emphasize the need of elementary education because it makes you concentrate on the matter instead of wasting time in asking for sources. Even if i write a book on the matter, you shall discredit everything.
                  Start watching Bayyinah institute’s programs (instead of certain scenes in movies) especially Nouman Ali Khan’s speeches and his show “The Deen Show”.
                  How difficult is that to understand, for instance, that one should keep oneself busy in something interesting (even if it is video games) in order to avoid ‘stuff’?
                  You have a habit of countering anything that i say. As long as the Meezan bank thread was on the first page, you were very active. As soon as it was down to page 2 of blog, you just vanished. Then, you were hardly commented on subsequent posts. Once i wrote my opinion in this blog post, you are back (until this post gets old). You are so obsessed with attention whoring.
                  You even have problems with choices of the blog administration. Why bother reading it at all? Start your own blog and you will feel much better among people like you visiting your blog.

                  • Shahid Saleem

                    – I always emphasize the need of elementary education because it makes you concentrate on the matter instead of wasting time in asking for sources.

                    Well my friend that is the difference between “elementary education” and college-level education. For latter you are REQUIRED to provide citations and references. Especially if you are coming up with a new paper/theory/wahtever. At least, that is how I learned it outside Pakistan.

                    — Once i wrote my opinion in this blog post, you are back (until this post gets old).

                    You clearly do not pay attention. I posted comments to mayn many articles between Meezan thread and todays. In fact, I posted maybe three or four comments before you posted your first male sexual violence “fact”. I would give you google search string to find my posts but why make it easy for you?

                    — You even have problems with choices of the blog administration.

                    Um…you are seriously confused here. Seriously. I disagree with commenters and site posters all the time because my opinions differ but I do not think I have ever done anything but show respect for administration. By the way, showing respect does not mean agreeing 100%.

                    • pappu

                      “…difference between “elementary education” and college-level education. For latter you are REQUIRED to provide citations and references.”

                      So you start writing a paper/report when you have to form an opinion about something in your day-to-day life. OMG :D you are a ‘professor’. You are a genius. I am sorry i wasted so much of my time. I did not know how slippery things could get.

                      “At least, that is how I learned it outside Pakistan.”

                      Bas ham sab ka yehi kasoor hai k ham ny “outside pakistan” sy kuch nahi seekha. Mein kisi embassy mein hota tu aaj hi apko citizenship deta. You dont belong here. You are ‘better’ than us.

                      “In fact, I posted maybe three or four comments before you posted your first male sexual violence “fact”.

                      janab mene tu apny comments ki baat ki hai. apni tajweez karda google string ko khud use karo na bhai. once i post a comment, you somehow consider it a contest and ->actively<- try to win until the blog post becomes older and pushed to second page or so. :D
                      Give me a single example where you returned every day to post a comment :P
                      You were endlessly bickering about my email address, and once i sent it, you vanished altogether. Actually, you desperately wanted to get my email address. You never planned to send me any payment invoices in first place. But dont worry. Dont admit that. I dont have any more trophies to award you.

                    • pappu

                      addendum…
                      since you have a habit of twisting things around, let me clarify that i want an example after the Meezan bank blog post.

                    • pappu

                      seems like i should wait for a few days before i post my comment in a blog post. In this way, i might be able to keep you from vomiting on my comments.
                      I had no idea that you considered the Meezan bank post – a competition/contest/fight etc. and targeted me as soon as i posted in this blogpost. Just dont bother about what i say. Talk to someone who is adept in behavior sciences and in tandem with internet. They shall tell you in a bit nicer way that your behavior is called attention-whoring/egoism.
                      Last time, it took me several posts to make you realize that Meezan bank was manipulating facts. I hope you are not suffering from dementia.
                      I have yet to find someone (except you), who did not understand my June 3 post.
                      Despite my repeated requests, you dont move our discussion to emailboxes. Whether you believe it or not, no one is reading us. “General public” does not give a dime. Then why litter the blog? I wonder. I even ran short of awards that i could hand out to you.

                  • Shahid Saleem

                    – Despite my repeated requests, you dont move our discussion to emailboxes.

                    Well, I would rather people read your insults against me in public.

                    • pappu

                      You can post screenshots “in public” like you have done before. Or do you think that NR3C might come one day to this blog and round me up so that you could settle your grudge and satisfy your inflated ego? All the best, then.

  • absentee landlord

    this shows how mental control and gender segregation ruins a society.. forcing people to look for other alternatives..

    banning or blocking internet sites wont solve this problem..

    • Shahid Saleem

      If you think it is bad here, you should see how Saudis and UAE people try to get around their filters. It happens, everyone knows it, their firewall prevents nothing.

  • me

    hamarey nojawaan kahan ja rahi hai kisi ko parwa hi nahi .kitni begarti ja rahi hai nojawano ki sooch, plzz KHUDA k liya PTA se request hai k Porn web sites band karey.

  • bobby

    Let’s have a society that is not sex starved. And I do not mean doing away with moral aspects of cojugal relationship.

    Let’s not intrude into privacy of the citzens this is no way the mandate of a state.

    look at the opportunities in the so called most islamic bastions where porn is banned but consensual sex has religious legitmacy.

  • Billabadmash

    Most of the people are with the ban kind of solution i too vote for that and people opposing this are saying it is no solution and it will do this and that man just hold for a mint and think like that.

    My little girl sitting in a room with a cell phone around an sms mention above arrives and make her to think i should just see that once what this is all about. She visit that thing and things might trun in bad. But if govt should allow these kind of message that she might be saved at least from these kind of attacks.

    Now an other stroy govt ban the porn according to you 80% of people with find their way to porn again you might be right but i highly disagree with these figs but think 20% wont find the way and leave this.

    What is believe its all self controlled but not for those who dont have a good sence of good or bad (yea i am talking about good or bads)

    Thats f**king porn we hear in new that a girl or 3 or 5 years is raped and killed and in the end you mostly see an under age teen boy who done that so people who really wants to see porn there is no way to stop them but please think our little kids are always in danager and yea i know about these bcoz i live in the same socity with no rules and etics legalized porn will not help make it hard for people so that atleast people with less knowledge dont go through bcoz less know also make them less sencesable to decide what is good or bad

    my 2 cents

    • Shahid Saleem

      So from reading your comment, I get the impression that the best solution is for you to tell your kids that if they get an sms they dont understand, just ask one of the parents. Am I right? Wont that take care of most of your fears?

      If you make your self approachable by your kids (helping them understand instead of flat out saying “this is not for you!!!” or something) then they will talk to you.

  • Saad Durrani

    So. The government does not like your blog. They get one of the hackers to crack your website and put illicit videos. Your website now has porn and gets blocked. HA!

    Censorship will not help. We need to this “pious little me” attitude. Pornography is also seen in your “oh so right Jihadi” camps as well.

  • Junaid

    Well, Previous topic hai yeh mera lia lakin parh kar bohot khushi hoe kah Shukar hai kah ab bhi aasi loog hain jo kah bohot ache soch rakhty hain, warna main soch raha tha shayud ab koi es tarah sochna wala nahin.

    Main khud PTA bhi es wajah se gaya tha i think approximately 3 years pehly our es tarah ki baat boli thee but response main kujh khaas response nahin mila us ka baad main Saudi Arab chala gaya, yahan aakar yeh chezain dekhna ko mili kah enhon ne phir bhi kujh na kujh control kia hoa hai, URL Filter wagira lagaya hoa hai.

    PTA jis URL Filtration purchase karna ki baat kar raha hai woh baat sahi hai kah costly hai lakin shayud woh yeh nahin soch raha kah es main katna faidah hai our sath hi sath aaney wali Genration ka lia bohot mufeed hai, sath hi sath Islam ki galat websites per bhi pabandi karleni chahiya our Registered Islamic Website ko hi Authority deni chahiya kah woh website ON karsaqain.

    Kharab websites ka sath sath jo tools en websites ko open karty hain woh bhi block karna hongey takah bilkul pabandi lag jaye.

  • http://www.gizmocrazed.com/ Mightee

    lol at the mail you received
    i never thought this could be possible using mobile phones as well
    IRONY!!!

  • mm

    tell me all of those who r saying that porn should be ban in pak if so then tell me who is the leader of porn (watching) in the world (pakistan) i am sure jo log comments likh rhe hain un main 70 % porn ko enjoy krte honge including me.
    remember kisi cheez pe ban lagane se us cheez ki demand main izafa hota hai na ke kami.

  • Whizkid

    Atleast 80% of people above this comment watch porn.

    50% fap every 2nd day.

    All those who think girls don’t watch porn are complete retards.

    Those who think married people don’t watch porn are morons.

    All those who are saying, ban ban ban, never say any thing about the prostitution because they can only talk here, and do all the shit in real life.

    Those who think this will happen are douche IRL.

    Why the heck are VPNs and Proxies made for?

    You can’t block Porn. Do what ever you want.

  • a Muslim

    If you want a change then be the change.

    Revive your Imaan and perform Salaah. If there is a little bit of loyalty in your Salaah, it will stop you from ANY bad thing that has been spreaded out there in this world.

    And if still your nafs urges you to such things then Fast. It breaks down your sexual temptations.

    The only solution is in Islam and Islam has provided you the solution and it is upon every individual to adopt it or not.

    There are both positive and negative energies around us. It depends on us which one we grasp.

    • Saad Durrani

      This is what I call a good solution. Thank you sir.

  • asdf

    I think PTA should ban the porn sites otherwise the situation is becoming dramatic..

  • http://www.ProPakistani.PK Multan PK

    Good going Shahid Saleem Bhai.

    Are these porn tubes are Banned in Arab Countries ?

    • Shahid Saleem

      Haven’t used the internet from there, but they probably are.

      However, that hasn’t prevented two things.

      1. the governments do not just ban porn. they ban any criticism of the governments. So, any opposition parties cannot have voice. The also routinely block blog sites, youtube urls, anything. You don’t like what one minister said and you post about it? Bam! they block you. Sometimes, they take you away. That is how they use their internet filters.

      2. the internet filters do not stop people from downloading or searching for porn. A technology solution cannot solve social issue (“why they feel they need to find and watch porn”).

      So, you have to decide. porn filters means PTA treats EVERYONE who uses internet as a suspect and gives them power not only to block anything they dont like but also to try and find patterns. Do you really want to be under suspicioun for something your cousin’s friend said in a blog post? With such traffic analysis tools, they can watch you closely, very very closely.

  • pappu

    West does not have concrete laws to regulate ‘stuff’. Absence of comprehensive law does not warrant full allowance. All societies have their conservative values. For instance, even if you are in US, you cant watch ‘stuff’ at public places like offices, libraries, restaurants, airports etc. You shall instantly get frowning faces and someone might even get vocal.

  • http://www.google.com Chris Brown

    If my Pakistani friends were to look at the victorian societies of Europe, they’d find that sex was omnipresent even draconian laws and times. It has always been there and always will be.

    It’s the mullah culture here that makes people be afraid of sex. Banning is not a solution. Women are gaped at Pakistan because of that ‘conservative’ patriarchy that is Pakistan. I don’t believe in Porn but i don’t think giving up your freedom in its name is an answer.

    If there are those who willing do not want to access porn, use DNS’s such as OpenDNS.

    • pappu

      I occasionally find DNS poisoning attacks and ARP cache poisoning attacks while using open dns and google dns. (more frequent on the latter).

  • REHMAN

    REEDOM OF SPEECH WATCHING AND DESIRE IS A FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT!!!GET OUT OF YYOUR MUSLIM MINDSET AND BACKWARDNESS PEOPLE!!EVERY INDIVIDUAL IS AN ADULT AND CAN DECIDE FOR HIMSELF WHETHER HE WANTS TO SEE PORN OR NOT SO LET HIM DECIDE IT BY HIMSELF RATHER THAN AN IMPOSITION BY THE GOVERNMENT!!IN DEMOCRATIC SOCIETIES NOTHING IS IMPOSED

    • pappu

      “IN DEMOCRATIC SOCIETIES NOTHING IS IMPOSED”
      You seem to be high. Please move to those “democratic societies” that are probably on Mars. You dont belong here.

      “GET OUT OF YYOUR MUSLIM MINDSET ”
      As per your lecture, we have the right of freedom of speech. Do i need to prove it to you that in “democratic societies”, opinion of majority is upheld?
      Next thing, that you will do, is to ask people to get out of Islam altogether. Hence the reason someone coined the term “liberal extremism”.

      “REEDOM OF SPEECH WATCHING AND DESIRE IS A FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT”
      Oh well, you can do anything in the garb of fundamental rights. If a beggar steals something, why do you call it a crime then? There are legit ways to practice rights.
      Please throw yourself in front of lions. Let them practice their fundamental rights. I am sure we shall remember you as free speech activists who stood for rights of even animals.

  • TALHA PAKISTANI

    hahahha……this post is pure entertainment….. :p

    lubya PROPAKISTANI… :D

  • pappu

    I am afraid i cant recall who wrote it some days ago. But it was something like:
    You are the only barrier separating you and what you choose to watch.
    Please note that while we demand ban, we should not forget that charity begins at home.

  • REHMAN

    just take an example of alcohol prostitution zina !!all of this is officially banned but have we been able to control it since our inception?no we have not!!what prevents me and you from hiring a prostitute or zina for that matter is our own conscence about GOD and our priciples set by our parents!!!so in the same way if we set the more we impose the more people wwill find ways to get over it!!!you want to control porn i tell you how to do it!!!start an advertisemnet on geo express that runs thoroughout the day educating parents that there is stuff on the internet which children watch hiding from your eyes!!the parents nowadays do not even know about it!!!now tell me which one is better mass ban or prevention at an individual level?

  • Ahmad

    I totally agree with shahid about not allowing govt to have a control on Internet traffic. If some1 remembers that during “supreme Court judges movement” 1stly the sms service and whole mobile service for whole pindi and islamabad, You ppl want them to give offcial authority to block internet services or even filter whenever they want… you ppl want to lose the rigth of freedom of speech???

    • Just Read My Post

      Love you dude.
      You are correct.

  • Tahir Ibrahim

    The day that Porn gets blocked in PK, expect more frustration in the society in general. Expect more rapes, expect more problems.

  • Shfaizal

    Must Block it.

  • http://www.matestop.com Moiz Sheikh

    All pornographic sites must be banned. its not hard to filter them. atleast PTA can block the popular Porn Sites…if not then PTA is loser

    • Just Read My Post

      You dont like them, then just dont open them. Problem solved and for those who do like them, let them have their fun. You have no right to tell them what to do.

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  • Ahmad Ali

    Dear Brothers & Sisters,

    Pakistan is an Islamic State and not a secular one, so pornography or Blasphemy should be banned without debate….
    We should not debate about others but try to improve ourselves and we should ban such garbage for sure.

    • Shahid Saleem

      – Pakistan is an Islamic State and not a secular one, so pornography or Blasphemy should be banned without debate….

      When people are killed because they were ACCUSED and not PROVEN guilty of a crime, then something is wrong and there needs to be debate.

      Unless you are okay with murder?

      • Ahmad Ali

        My Dear Shahid Saleem,

        Why are you Mixing two different topics?
        Just to prove yourself knowledgeable…..huhh

        My dear two WRONGS do not make one RIGHT.

        Everyone knows that Islam do not allow killings of Innocent people. In addition some people probably don’t know that Islam do not allow even killing MUNAFIQEEN [Who claim to be Muslims but act against Islam] (Unless declared / Proven or if they are Murtidd).

        We humans are no one to guess and approve someone.

        Moreover we are no one to debate upon Orders of Allah SWT & his Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

        Me and all other Muslims do not need your stamp / Approval to call pornography a sin and even to ban that ill of our society.

        Brother atleast we should do our part to try keeping our children away from all these bad things.

        • Shahid Saleem

          I don’t think you are paying attention. The same people who dismiss things like discussion on blasphemy or anything like that are usually the same people who look the other way when people are killed.

          And people ARE killed in our society.

          So can we please have a discussion on this so we can solve problem of WHY they are killed?

          Again just because I think there should be a discussion does not mean i am pro porn. But look, you jumped to conclusion that I am! Isnt it obvious that if we want to solve the problem, we need to first have a discussion on WHY things happen the way they do, and HOW to solve them the best way? Or should we just do what someone suggests and ban ban ban even though that is NOT proven to solve the problem?

          • Ahmad Ali

            Mr. Shahid Saleem, [Just stick to the original matter "PORNOGRAPHY"]

            QUOTE
            Or should we just do what someone suggests and ban ban ban
            UNQUOTE

            Watch your language plz…

            Pornography is banned by Allah Almighty so No Discussions…. Its not SOMEONE but the creator of Universe.

            IT SHOULD BE BANNED. No Arguments on this….

            • Shahid Saleem

              You need to pay attention. No one is arguing that it should not be banned. THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION IS HOW IT SHOULD BE BLOCKED.

              How? Block all sites? Impossible — no one can do that & even google images shows porn with safe settings. Put up a firewall? It has not stopped people from Middle East searching for and downloading porn. they just use proxies. Block all proxies? Dream on…

              Maybe you prefer European Three Strikes way the same they do for people who use p2p software to share movies??? Disconnect someone if they download porn three times?

              • Ahmad Ali

                @ Mr. Shahid Saleem

                Yes now we are on actual topic.

                Dear 100% Blocking is not necessary, you can’t stop hackers and Computer freaks but atleast children should not have an excess.

                If you talk about other possibilities then believe you me Hall Road [Lahore] is full of Porn Movies. If i am not wrong Millions of GB Porn Movies are just Rs. 35 away from our Kids.

                • Shahid Saleem

                  In other words if you block on internet, people will start sharing dvds.

                  Like they did in the days before internet was easy to get (share magazines, vcds etc).

                  So what will block accomplish? Give more money to local criminals!

                  • Ahmad Ali

                    OK In other word, you wish to say that Prostitution should be allowed because a FEW bad people are doing by giving some Extra Money to local Criminals????

                    Govt should block access to such sites to atleast reduce the quantum. And then Inshallah move to the 2nd step….

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      Your comparison is not accurate. Right now, prostitution is all criminals but porn downloads are not criminals. Cutting down on prostitution will still leave criminals in action. Blocking porn downloads will create more criminals.

                      — Govt should block access to such sites to atleast reduce the quantum.

                      There is NO WAY to block access to all such sites. Or even 50% such sites. You can pick, say, top 100 sites and block them but that is the same as stopping a flood with a pillow. There is no “internet dam” that can block only porn.

      • Just Read My Post

        What the hell are you talking about, man.
        Porn and murder, how did you even connect these points.
        You sir have an inferior intellect.

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    Assalam U Alaikum
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  • Ahmad Ali

    @ Shahid Saleem

    If you want argument for the sake of Argument then sorry i don’t have time to waste.

    Believe you me, from inside you know this very well that you are trying to convince us all to a wrong thing while giving illogical reasons.

    Success is not to prove your opponent wrong but to find the truth and agreeing on that.

  • http://www.paktelecom.net Bilal Sarwari

    Jab tak islam ka naafaaz is mulk main theek se nahi hota to kesey kuch control ho sakta hai, sab kuch to ho raha hai is mulk main, jo kaam kafar kar ke khush hota tha aaj muslmaan wo sab kam kar raha hai,

  • http://facebook.com/pornblock Danish

    please search the page “Please block the porn sites on internet” on facebook to join the porn blocking campaign.

    • Just Read My Post

      Please search “A guide on How to mind your own business and not be prick”on google and join “the teach an ignorant to prevent collapse of human society” campaign.

  • http://every javed

    its not good for just porn site
    if pta can do everything then they need to block every site which will be included porn
    they need to block facebook and also many dating sites because many peoples come there and meet for sex.
    its clear site
    block facebook in pakistan
    i think there peoples are just for relation not for as a good user.
    i serach and see that 99% peoples are fake and want just relation not a good friend.
    plzzz block this site as PTA block porn sites
    its good
    but they need tp block all these site which is against of pakistani
    block every dating and social site because its a cause of bad relations and due to that sites many incident.
    plzzz block every social site and also dating sites
    its good for muslims
    i appished PTA but they need to block the social sites which is cause of porn.
    thanx

    • Just Read My Post

      a couple of things dude.

      1. Learn English.
      2. If you dont like facebook or dating site dont use them, i mean what the hell were you even doing there.
      3. Just because your internet date failed or or someone on facebook tricked you doesnt give you the right to the right to lash out.
      4. What people do on facebook, dating site, in there so called ‘relationships’, and in there personal lives is none of your business.
      5. Ohh, and did i mention, LEARN proper english.

  • http://-------- kkkk

    kisi insaan ka qatal zyada galat hai ya porn sites visit kerna…………..answer me if u can

  • Just Read My Post

    Yea, just go on and ban every thing that you dislike.

    We are human, and by birth freedom is our god given right. Islam gave us freedom to chose what we desire to do with our lives, and this includes watching porn if we so do desire. Now listen i am not encouraging anyone to porn or anything but my point is that we have the right to chose and that is what make us who we are.
    If, anyone does not like porn they are more than welcome to not watch it. If you are a concerned parent, with children under 18 of course, you are more than welcome to use many of the parental locking gizmos available in the market.
    Many of the people who commented on this post are ignorant retards, who have no idea what freedom means and just take for granted and are so willing to give it. You guys are like MAYA KHANs of the internet, apologies but i couldn’t think of a better example.
    Porn censorship is only the beginning, soon they will be banning all that they wish be hidden from us. This will cripple the internet as it is and hinder the free flow of information and there is nothing, LEGAL, that any one will be able to do about it.
    So, please do not encourage this censorship of the world wide and if there is something that you would rather not watch or do, they dont.

    P.S I love porn and I WILL find a way even if it is blocked. Freedom is my right and I will practice this right till my last breath.