B. Tech Degree Status in Pakistan Undefined

By Saleh Sikandar | 07, Feb 2011 | 81 Comments

Earlier Dawn and Today ‘The News’ published this story which reveals a shocking fact that degree of B. Tech is undefined in Pakistan.

Hence, anyone doing B. Tech or those who have done B. Tech may end up without any legal degree in the country, meaning that no further studies or jobs.

By the way, as per estimates, 10,000 fresh graduates pass out with B. Tech degree every year.

It seems, according to Sheikh Javed – Chairman Pakistan Council of Technologists, the situation has reached this level due to government’s negligence. As it is the case with Cyber Law, R&D Fund, USF and various other institutes of the country.

Following is excerpt from ‘The News’:

Technology (B.Tech) graduates in the country are deprived of access to higher studies, job opportunity in public departments and promotions due to undefined status of their degrees.

Over 50,000 B.Tech graduates have demanded to establish Pakistan Technology Council (PTC) for their registration, which can safeguard their rights.

Talking to APP here on Sunday, Chairman of Pakistan Council of Technologists Sheikh Javed said that a draft bill for the establishment of Pakistan Technology Council (PTC) was forwarded to the Prime Minister in February 2010, which was sent to the Ministry of Science and Technology (MoST) on March 3, 2010 for comments but it was still pending with the ministry.

The government had reiterated its commitment many times to work for the promotion of technical education but the PEC had prohibited the education ministry for establishing Pakistan Technology Council, Javed said.

B.Tech programme was formally launched in 1973 and the then Ministry of Education was directed to give status of B.Tech (Hons) degree at par with B.Sc Engineering/B.E degree, according to the letter No. 15-29/73-Tech.
According to the letter no PEC/4-P/QEC, the PEC stated that B.Tech degree would be considered equivalent to B.Sc/BE and the same decision was taken in 9th inter-provincial ministers conference at Quetta in 1986, 39th HEC meeting on 12-2-98, FPSC in its letter no F4-89/2002-R but now the PEC is not ready to accept their status.

The B.Tech holders study the same courses like engineers and are equally competent but they have to struggle and file cases individually to recognize their degree status, Sheikh Javed said.

The Pakistan Engineering Council (PEC) has refused to register technologists while different public departments are denying to recognize their degrees, not giving them jobs. Those, who have already got government jobs, do not get promotions up to Grade 16, he said.

The full bench of Supreme Court in Suo Motu Review Petition No. 52 of 1993 gave its verdict on June 05, 1995 in favor of B.Tech (Hons) (PLD 1995 SC 701), thrashing out the role of PEC.

But, the PEC in 2004-05 managed the amendments by adding new clauses and definition of professional engineering work and section 5A of Section 27 only to null and void the decision of full bench of Supreme Court thus to interfere in the service matters and blocking promotion channels of employees possessing B.Tech (Hons) degrees.

Rameez Kakakhel

PEC doesn’t even allow professional engineering courses to register easily.
And their method of registering graduate engineers (if their batch is the lucky one) is way too stupid. They don’t even accept HEC attested docs :P LOLZ! They prefer a Grade 18 Engineer over it :P
.
My support for B.Tech Guys, though I have seen some of them getting Jobs and Education at universities but it is true they don’t get much promotions.
- http://www.facebook.com/H.Furqan786 Furqan Prince
  
  Guys agr parhna chahte ho to just Bsc Engineering karo……
shoaib

I did b-tech(hons) in 2000,still hope.

ZULM TO ZULM HA
AKHIR AIK DIN MIT JAY GA.
Fakhre alam

I think its not right to make b tech equivalent to BE. Cuz their is a lot difference in the courses. I think btech is not even half of BE. Give them some status of course,
- ahmar
  
  kami nay b.tech waly nay 7 year engineering kye hoti hy 3 year DAE & 4 year B.techor B.sc waly nay 4 sal srah gand dye hoti hy
ZIFAH

mR Fakhre alam, Your comments are such a bullshit, yB-tech course should improve for B-tech, but you know b tech guys passes first dae (totally related to engineering basics) and you guys do fsc and dont have any basic concepts, in pakistan here every thing is wrong, dae guys should have more seats as compare to fsc students,
- asim zuberi
  
  Agreed, yeh field main hum say seekh kur hum hi pur order chalatay hain. Yeh MUQADAS GAYEE (Bafelow) hain bhai.
bilal shah

bro how old infos u have
b tech is upgraded in to (bsmt)
and the cource is comp;etly equalvent to bsc oR be
i m doing (bsmt) 4m uet
for further details check uet web page

one thing keep in mind
engineering never change
but technology changes eyery day

proud to be a TECHONOLOGEST
- Ahsan shahbaz
  
  well said bilal….Me also doing BSMT…from UOL and UET ( university of Engineering and technology) its name is not complete without technology so how can thy refuse technologist…… :) i m proud what i m doing…….:)
- Riaz Feroze
  
  Dear Friend as you asking that you are studing at uet (bsmt)can you send by mail your Syllabus / Curriculum with Credits hrs which you studying now, or give me the web,source where it is available and can be down load easily.I will appreciate if you can give these supports.
  Riaz Feroze
  riazferoze@gmail.com
  00971566397553
- raza
  
  very nice bro
noman islam

hm ye nahi kehte k hame Eng kahain hm ye kehte hen hme hamara haq mile.
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can Fsc students apply to do B-TECH???? repyl me plz
- asim zuberi
  
  yes why not ?
- asim zuberi
  
  but only in private institutes, i am not quite sure you may check.
- rukhban
  
  YES!! 100%
- ahmar
  
  not is kay lya DAE zarori hy
- zaidi
  
  nooooo
- hammad
  
  yes you can apply
ch asif tarrar

i have b.tech degree,and i have been working in one of Govt Engg Deptt for 21 years.In this long time i have not seen eaven a single Competent Bsc Engineer,God bless this country.These are Diploma Engineers who r running these engineerig departments.i think President Asif Ali Zardari should take action and issue Executive order to resolve this issue,this is the only way.
- asim zuberi
  
  yes mr Asif you are right with some extent. i am agreed with you that MR ZARDARI may have to take intrest in our matter of promotions, i am also in a autonomus body having 20 years of service also done M.TECH but didnt get promotion. you know BSC/BE degree walay MUQADAS gayw (bafallow)hain that bcoz they getting each n every benifit. eg getting hiered in bps 17, getting upgradation in 8/10 years, having engineering allowance of 10 thousands n more n more n more benifits…………. !
- ahmar
  
  u r right humhara DAE hi B.Sc engineer kay lie kafi hy
- http://www.facebook.com/H.Furqan786 Furqan Prince
  
  thanks asif bhai for the awareness… aj mera uoog ki first merit list main btech k liye
  naam aageya hai… but apni zindgi k 4 saal waste karne se acha hai k privite Bsc Engg hi kar li jaey… ku k Pakistan ka future itni aasani se badalne wala nhi….
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IJAZ ALI

PEC KO CHI KE WO B.TECH KO B.SC ENGG KE BARABAR KARI
ABDUL HAFEEZ

AA
The graduate of technology B-Tech(04 year)now should be equal to Bsc engineering/BE cause max course outline has been changed now, but after checking the syllabus cause each university has different course outline .The candidates which have studied same to BE course/subject should be equal to B.E and should be given rights them and don’t be jealous to each other cause B-Tech are powerful in practical comparatively. Silent msg to all Thanks
- asim zuberi
  
  Aoa,
  Mr Abdul Hafeez n Other Friends
  PEC Violating the Orders/rulling of Supreem Court Who Given the states of equivilancy to btec n bsc/be. as well the course concern,when the UET, NED, MUET Universities awarding degrees to B.TECH it means they satisfied with the Syllabus, they have fear from BTECH Engineers, Aap ko Pata hay k Our president also a Diploma holder from UK, koi JIALA Hamari Aawaz President Tuk Pohncha day BHAI.
  - http://facebok farzand ali
    
    plz giv me information b.tech ka kea stats ha normal education systm mn kea hum kisi uni se Master kr sakte hn? mn msc invoirlment krna chata hn
http://facebok farzand ali

i wants information that a b.tech pass person gets addmission in master program any bublic university? lik ma socialogy MA invorlmetel science like other.ya B.tech pass ki equalation kea hsc ki rulls mn plz help me my dears
- ANNUS HASHMI
  
  GUYS,JUST FOCUS ON ur studies,b-tech course outline,our books,theories all is same,we have same knowledge to engeeniers,so guys we have to prove our self.
ANNUS HASHMI

guys u should goo to the hec webside,and macth the bee and b_tech course outline u will see that there is not much differene,even our books and writers are sama,actually in pakistan goverment is giving piority to bee,so jobs oppertunities are enough for bee students,
shahzad Ahmad

hi i’m a b.tech student doing in university of Gujrat.we should not focus on such kind of things after getting admissions in b.tech or after completing degrees.we should just focus on our studies.some day someone will take steps to give us equality to Bsc.we should wait fot that day & carry on to hardwork for our country.
- asim zuberi
  
  Brother I have 25+ years of service on DAE basis and done my BTECH in 2006 But still have no benifit in service also have done M.TECH in 2010, processed the case in department but nothig got out, FRUSTRATION….. FRUSTRATION….. FRUSTRATION………….!
bila shah

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Semester 1
English Comprehension Engineering Drawing – I Applied Chemistry Applied Physics Applied Mathematics – IComputer Application – I
Semester 2
Communication Skills Engineering Drawing – II Applied Mechanics Applied Thermodynamics Applied Mathematics – II
Semester 3
Applied Mathematics – III Computer Programming Industrial Materials Auto CAD Mechanics of Materials
Semester 4
Industrial Electronics Mechanics of Machines – I Fluid Mechanics Applied Mathematics – IV Machining ProcessesMachines Design – I
Semester 5
Engineering Economics Machine Design – II Advance Thermodynamics Mechanical Vibration Industrial Management
Semester 6
Hydraulic Machinery Introduction to Mechatronics Installation, Testing & Maintenance of Machines Refrigeration & Air Conditioning Quality Control & AssuranceTraining Program – I (Summer Program)
Semester 7
Material Handling Metal Cutting & Machiner Tools I-C Engines Automation & Control Project
Semester 8
Heat Transfer Power Plant Engineering & Energy Resources Environmental Technology for IndustriesIslamic & Pak StudiesOccupational Health Safety & EnvironmentTraining Program – II (Summer Program)
syed Abrar Ahmed Shah

Baki tmam forgien countries mein B-tech ko BE sy ziada value dy jati hai pr yhan hi sirf aisa chl rha hai k B-tech ki degree undefined hai Q B-tech waly 7 saal ki Study k bd Engineer Bn jaty hain woh bhe undefined aor BE Waly sirf 4 saal mein hi Full engineer bn jaty hain Q kya woh aasman sy utry hain kya plz Chief Justice sy appeal hai k woh is ka khud notice ly
- asim zuberi
  
  Mr Abrar It is proven in our country thet BE/BS walay Muqadas gaye(COW) hain. and as well as PEC concern they dont follow the instructions of SUPREME COURT to deal the B.TECH at par.
- Waqar Raja
  
  Slam all bro.
  dear mn b.tech 4th sem ka student hun, ab tk mn ny jo b sna ha mncnfuz hun k myry sath kya hony wala hai to plz help me…..
Yasir Baloch

aap blkul sahi keh rhy hain B-tech ki degree bhe PEC sy registered ho
- asim zuberi
  
  Mr Baloch PEC is the main herdle in the recognition of B.TECH,
Babar Baloch

B tech walon k sath Q saotan jaisa salook kia ja raha hai Jab hamre wazeer-ala ne keh dia hai k degree to degree hota hai to phr B tech ko b baaki BE walo ki tarha ahmiat di jaae
talkh haqeeqat

study structure of B Tech and BE are totally different. BE is a professional degree and B Tech is a diploma so B-Tech can never be equal to BE.
- asim
  
  “Little knowledge is dangerous to man kind” Oh bhai who says B.TECH is Diploma, I am quite sure you are BE/Bsc. julna choro bhai
- sadiq
  
  If there is some deficiency in courses, it is job of HEC to review the course, PEC should not create hurdles. In rest of the world, B-Tech has more value than BE, but it is Pakistan, here only Book reader BE is more valuable than Practical and as well as theoretical B-Tech engrs.
http://propakistani.pk rehan khan

b tech degree is equal to bsc bcoz there s no diference and also btech is tuff then bsc ok
adnan

asslam o alaikum to all my dae technology holders zara 2 sal main fsc karnay wolon sy pochoo k salo fsc base pay koi sub engineer ki job kar sakta hy ye salay fsc waly 4 sal main bsc engr kartay hain our dae holder btech hons k sath 7 year engr kartay hain is leye btech is higher then be or bsc rattalization engr as compare to btech conceptual engineering or to or ye bsc diplima holder k pair pakar k kam seekhtay hain saly
asim zuberi

I some body have PRESIDENTS email pl forwerd our problem to him, kun k supreem court ki koi naheen sunta & hamaray pass itnay RS naheen k sc tuk jaa sakain for the implimentation of his orders on PEC whose chair person also a JIALI Madam Rukhsana Zuberi. tow brothers try to send voice to MR PRESIDENT.
rehan

btech is higher than be/bsc
- asim zuberi
  
  Are you asking a question or Giving information?
hizbullah jokhio

iam in DAE nw iwt i do
- asim zuberi
  
  jokhio sb kya puchna chahtay ho? write it in urdu.
- http://www.facebook.com Sajjad ali
  
  just do B.E. don’t waste time in b-tech
Rizwan Ahmad

I complete B.tech pass in 2011 can i take admission in Master of Information Technology
can anybody tell me on idrizwan@yahoo.com
Rizwan Ahmad

Mene Btech pass kia howa hy kia me MIT me admission le sakta ho k nhe koi btay ga k nhe ?
http://www.facebook.com Sajjad ali

hi and salam to all, i totally agree with this news given above. B-tech degree is not recognised in Pakistan. it is my golden advice for oyuth don’t do b-tech. however if you are diploma holder take admission in B.E program ( u may get admission in private universities easily). after B.E you will get ur bright future. B.E is un defined degree so again don’t waste ur time in B-TECH. Our goverment would be provide relief for b-tech till last day of world. hahahhahhahaha. i have done b-tech, i was un lucky. Some people are giving u rong hopes that one day P.T.C (pakistan techonology concil )will me estabilished). it is just paying lips. My eldest brother told me he had been hearing this news of P.T.C since 1990.well guyz don’t play with your future. bye and think about my suggestion bcz i am ur sincere. one day you people will agree with me.
- http://www.facebook.com/H.Furqan786 Furqan Prince
  
  thanks sajjad bhai… aj mera uoog ki first merit list main btech k liye naam aageya hai… but apni zindgi k 4 saal waste karne se acha hai k privite Bsc Engg hi kar li jaey… ku k Pakistan ka future itni aasani se badalne wala nhi….
- Hussain
  
  dear sajjad, it is not possible to get admission in msc program after b.tech?if u hear please reply me at siraihse@gmail.com
http://www.facebook.com Sajjad ali

one thing i would like to shear with you guys now N.E.D is giving a golder apportunity for b-tech degree holders but remember this offer is only for student of goverment colleges and university like G.C.T shershah at karachi. N.E.D offer admission in 3rd year of B.E. This is called conersion course of two years. after compiletition you will be engineer. I am sorry if i hurt any b-tech student . this is reality guyz don’t hide this facts to upcoming students. i am already victum of b-tech remember. now i want to safe others. khudahafiz bye sajjadjoher@yahoo.com (FACEBOOK and twitter same id)
asim

Truly says, i have done M.TECH in 2010 still no benefit !
Habib Ur rRehman

Asslam O Alaekum to all of my Brothers!
First of all, there is no comparison between BSC and B-Tech. It is just like the comparison between MS physics and Ms chemistry. As these courses are same in the status but different in fields, same way, BSc and B- Tech are quite different and fields of designing and operational respectively. A BSc holder called designed engineer and a B- Tech holder is called operational engineer or technologist.BSc starts after Fsc and B- Tech starts after DAE. So this is clear that both fields are different( In the reference of Pak system).
Now, before we discuss the social status of B- Tech in Pakistan, We should know some facts about it.
In earlier, when the DAE started, it was programme only for those who were not much good in general education but were strong in technical side. Its mean this was the way to safe the average intelligence of Pakistan but there was no further study plan for Diploma holders.
Later in 1973, B- tech programme launched when the diploma holders demanded to enhance their educational status as well as their skills. At that time this was a four year program and had the status of B.Tech (Hons) degree at par with B.Sc Engineering/B.E degree, according to the letter No. 15-29/73-Tech.
According to the letter no PEC/4-P/QEC, the PEC stated that B.Tech degree would be considered equivalent to B.Sc/E.
But as written in above, PEC declined his statement.
Now the situation is this, the engineers and technologists are in opposite of each other.
- http://www.facebook.com/H.Furqan786 Furqan Prince
  
  thanks for giving such a nice information bhai g… aj mera uoog ki first merit list main btech k liye
  naam aageya hai… but apni zindgi k 4 saal waste karne se acha hai k privite Bsc Engg hi kar li jaey… ku k Pakistan ka future itni aasani se badalne wala nhi….
Kashif Khan

a.o.a.
i did DAE in Civil. Now, i’n confused k kya krun … B tech , Bs Tech or Bsc ?????

Also what is the difference b/w B Tech nd Bs Tech !!! nd Also tell me What should i do and why ..??? please my seniors guide me . plzzz : (

thekashifkhattak@gmail.com
kk_sweetboy@yahoo.com
03004984233
Kashif Khan

a.o.a.
i did DAE in Civil. Now, i’m confused k kya krun … B tech , Bs Tech or Bsc ?????

Also what is the difference b/w B Tech nd Bs Tech !!! nd Also tell me What should i do and why ..??? please my seniors guide me . plzzz : (

thekashifkhattak@gmail.com
kk_sweetboy@yahoo.com
03004984233
- asim
  
  Mr Kashif B.TECH aik achhut ki bemari hay Pyaray Pakistan Main and Bs/BE Muqadas gaye (bafelow) hain. its very very much better to do any degree other than BTECH.
http://sa saas

dae
http://sa saad

i did DAE in civil now
Habi

Dear Kashif,
You have no option except to do B-Tech or BS. So you can choose any of one from these because there is no difference between these courses.
KHAN

I AM VERY SORRY TO WRITE THAT 50000 B TECH DEGREE HOLDERS ARE STILL WAITING FOR HELP FROM OTHERS.PLEASE COME OUT ON ROAD AND PROTEST FOR YOUR RIGHTS.I PRAY FOR YOUR BRIGHT FUTURE.
waqar ahmed khan

Dear all brother
ager p.e.c wala nahi man rahy to p.t.c ko estiblish
karne par zor do ka hamari degree kuch qabil ho jai
aur karachi ma bhi protest karo ak sath har city ma
karo.

Thanks
eng.waqar ahmed khan
I.I.H.E.
Aitizaz Hassan

AOA….
inshallah one day it will be register…..it is clear that a B engineer have almost 7 years experience in their field,,,which is much enough for a bsc engineer,,,,,aitizaz swabi
Muhammad Zubair Ahmed

Currently I am a student of B-Tech Pass in my opinion B-Tech Pass can’t be equivalent to BE/BSC due to the difference of courses & the time,
But the B-Tech Hon’s should be equivalent to BE. Because the min requirement of education for Bachelor’s is 16 years in this case both degree programs having the same time frame & also recognized by PEC.
saqibkhan

PLEASE LESSON ALL OF YOU PLEASE NOTE MY COMMENT oF REALLY FULL OF SORROW;

I DID B.SC (ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING)
4 YEAR , MUCH OF MONEY AND TIME I LOST (MUCH OF HOSTELS FEE ….AND MUCH OTHER FEE’S)
NO JOB IN PAKISTAN AND FOREIGN ALSO for me , NOW I’M DOING MY OWN BUISNESS AND ALLAH IS GOING ME MUCH MONEY ITS OK BUT WHAT MY MANY WISHES WAS NOT COME’S TRUE OF A BETTER JOB I HAVE NO JOB BECUASE OF BS.C ,
AND MY MANY MANY FRIEND THEY DID B.TECH AND HAS BEEN SUCCEEDED, MY OTHER FRIEND ARE NOW IN U.K , AND IN BIG ROYAL COMPANIES RELATED TO AL.BURJ ETC,
THEY GOT MARRIED BIG HOUSES AND MUCH THINGS THEY GOT, AND I’M STILL HERE NOTHING WITHOUT A TEACHER OR LECTURUR,

SOOO ALL OF YOU BROTHER AVOID BS.C DO B.TECH(advance engineering) AND GO AWAY TO FORIEGN(DUBAI SAUDI & OTHER’S) MUCH MUCH BETTER JOBS AND COMPANIES ARE WAITING FOR YOU,
(nothing in pak)
saqibkhan

AND BROTHERS FS,C KAY BAAD DEPLOMA AND THEN B.TECH KEJYE(IF U DONE U MAKE YOUR SELF AS A DIAMOND) ITS PRECIOUS ADVICE FOR ALL OF YOU,
ESS TARAH AP BHAI AIK ANMOL HERA BAN JAO GY,

PAKISTAN MEIN NA TO BS KE KOI VALUE NA BS.C KE NA B.TECH KE(OTHER THAN BS.C)WAST THING IS BS.C,
PLEASE AVOID IT,
BS OR B.TECH
THESE ARE MUCH ADVANCE STUDIES THEN BS.C,
Rizwan

Assalamu Alaikum
B. Tech Pass ka Student MSC IT OR Comp me Admission
le skta hy k nhe
reply me urgent on idrizwan@yahoo.com
Rizwan

B tech pass k bad
msc me admission mil skta hy k nhe
reply me
idrizwan at yahoo.com
Sajid Ali Shah

Can any body Please tell about the universities in Pakistan offering M Tech/Master Program(Engineering) after B-Tech Pass/Hons???
http://B.TECHDEGREESTATUSINPAK UMER MUGHAL

BHAI SB KOI FAIDA NAI M.TECH KARNY KA IS SAY ACHA AP B.E KAR LO TO KUCH FAIDA BHE HO JAYE GA.OR SAMAJHDAR K LEAY ISHARA KAFI HOTA HAI.. KIA SAMJHAY………
zubee

AOA
Dear All

Q: Why do we study?
Ans: To earn a respectable income (not for PEC registration)

I know many of B-Tech (Hons) degree holders who earn better than many of BSc engineers. I myself did B-Tech (Hons) in 2004 and right on the day of my last VIVA, I got a job in an MNC, after 1 year changed my job and working with another MNC for last 7 years. I have knowledge and wisdom to handle technical and other related matters; I am
successful in my Job & Life … I feel extremely lucky.

Advice: if u have done B-Tech, now accept the fact that the bitch (PEC) will not register you any way, now find out a way to survive and grow without amenities of BSc, do not go for Govt. jobs but really MNCs and Private Sector love to appoint B-Tech instead of BSc engineers.

I never meet any jobless B-Tech degree holder, so leave PEC registration that really does not matter, people see your work not your degrees and affiliations.

Focus on earning money with respect and believe me there are tons of opportunities in the market just for you
Ahmed Chaudhary

I have done my MS Engineering from NUST .Last year i am very surprised when i met with B-TECH.HE HAS A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE.HE WAS THE REALLY ENGINEER.
b.tech fail

B tech has no status so Pls do bsc
prince

bs.tech ka saudia arabia mein boht scope ha aap 10000 riyal 1 month ki pay le skte han aur bsc ka faida nhi hai