FIR Registered Against Blasphemous Pakistani Facebook Page Owners

In response to hearing of a case in Islamabad High Court, Islamabad Police today registered an FIR against the owners of Facebook pages that posted blasphemous content.

FIR, a copy of which is pasted below, reads that some unidentified individuals were operating Facebook pages namely, “Bhainsa, Moochi, and Roshni” that were not only posting content against state institutions but were also spreading blasphemous content.

FIR read that such blasphemous content hurt the feelings of 200 million Pakistani Muslims.


Pakistan Telecommunication Authority, on orders of IHC, has already blocked these pages for users in Pakistan.

Also read: Block Blasphemous Content or Entire Social Media Will be Put Offline: High Court

Islamabad High Court, just in case if you aren’t following, has been hearing a case about posting blasphemous content on Facebook.

Petitioner alleged that Salman Haider, Ahmed Waqas Goraya, Asim Saeed, Ahmed Raza Naseer and Samar Abbas created and operated the pages in questions.

IHC has asked to put the names of alleged Facebook page owners in ECL (Exit Control List).

It won’t be out of place to mention that Facebook usually doesn’t reveal the identity of the users or the page owners. Just recently it turned down a request from Pakistan’s government for revealing the information of users who had posted fake images of Chief Justice of Pakistan.

Also Read: Here is How Pakistan Can Deal with Facebook, Whatsapp and Others

Tech reporter with over 10 years of experience, founder of ProPakistani.PK


  • Great Work by Court : Truly Appreciated :

    Gustakh-E-Rasool Ki Saza
    Sir Tan Se Juda

    • TechTnT

      Exactly…

      Bro, now wait & see people with failed dna will start posting against here & on social media.

      • Shahid Saleem

        Bro wait until the people who filed FIR actually present evidence in court.

        • TechTnT

          here you come. already infromed about you.

        • ZAB

          Your matter of concern should not be evidence against blasphemers, but instead it should be to find those pigs out and hang them if you are a Muslim. Shame that instead of condemning these unforgivable sins you are sympathizing n teaching us law. No law is above respect of our religion.

          • Geek At Large

            If I consider Albert Einstein a prophet and someone says bad things about Einstein, am I allowed to kill that person?

            • Muhammed Ovais Alam

              If it’s in your country and Islamic law then YES.

              EDITED:
              Not you. The court has the authority to do.

          • Shahid Saleem

            >>> Your matter of concern should not be evidence against blasphemers

            Why not? Are you saying any random xyz can be accused of blasphemy and then killed without any evidence of guilt? I don’t know what your religion is, sir, but what you are suggesting is not allowed in MY religion (Islam). What are you suggesting is MURDER.

            >>> Shame that instead of condemning these unforgivable sins you are sympathizing n teaching us law.

            Ever heard of Islamic law?

            • ZAB

              You are not judge that you are asking for evidence. Your religion is Islam mashaALLAH and instead of seeing n waiting those blasphemers hanged you are keen to see evidence? Great. But we are waiting to see those blasphemers hanged who really made these pages. That’s our only concern.

              • Shahid Saleem

                >>> You are not judge that you are asking for evidence.

                What a funny thing to say! Are you a judge? No? Then how come you condemn people without evidence?

                >>> instead of seeing n waiting those blasphemers hanged you are keen to see evidence?

                Well you are dumb. If there is no “evidence” then who can provide proof that they are guilty of blasphemy? Look at picture of FIR, do you see proof there? No? Then how do you know they are guilty?

                Is it okay if your neighbour files petition with same court & judge to accuse you of blasphemy without evidence?

                Yes or no please.

                >>> But we are waiting to see those blasphemers hanged who really made these pages.

                Well so far neither Facebook nor anyone else has presented 100% solid proof that the people named were page admins. In fact, there is many reports that the pages were updated AFTER the people were being held incommunicado. So… what does that say?

                • ZAB

                  Again I’m saying evidence is not your matter. Courts are smarter than you, so just wait for those “Real Abusers and blasphemers” to be hanged.

                  • Shahid Saleem

                    >>> Courts are smarter than you, so just wait for those “Real Abusers and blasphemers” to be hanged.

                    And all I am saying is unless there is evidence that they are guilty, they will not be hanged & you will have to accept that without question.

                    • ZAB

                      N again I’m saying evidence seeing evidence shouldn’t be a priority of a Muslim. His priority should be to see those “Real Blasphemers” hanged.

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      You don’t get it, do you?

                      If there is no evidence of blasphemy then what is left? Just an accusation? What good is an accusation without evidence to back it up?

                      Shall I accuse you of being a theif and rapist and let the mobs do whatever they want with you? Don’t I have to present evidence for that? Then in what way is case of blasphemy any different?

                      In fact, is it EXTREMELY EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that there is evidence of blasphemy because it is a capital offence where someone CAN BE KILLED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

                      Or do you want the government going around killing random people?

                      I asked for yes or no answer, you cannot give one. You clearly have not the brainpower to understand the problem.

                      In fact… since you keep bringing it up… where is the need for judges and courts if there is no need for evidence?

                    • KMQ

                      Sir, since you really like to answer in YES or NO. Aap se ek simple sa sawal, agar koi guilty prove hojata hai in blasphemy do you agree that person should be HANGED?

                      Please reply in YES or NO only and please don’t say that its impossible to prove or anything else. Only one clear answer if proven guilty then hanged – YES or NO?

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      I will answer your questions.

                      >>> agar koi guilty prove hojata hai in blasphemy do you agree that person should be HANGED?

                      If they are proven guilty in Pakistan, then YES the capital punishment (death) is valid.

                      Now I don’t know why you asked that question because I have never said they should or should not be hanged. I only ask: where is evidence? We are all ready go find those five people and hang them when no one has shown proof. And like I asked in other comment, if we don’t need evidence, then why do we need FIR process, courts, judges, lawyers, etc etc?

                    • KMQ

                      Got my answer thanks for replying, and regarding the other part I don’t think any sensible person would simply ask these 5 people to be hanged. Obviously they need to be proven guilty before any punishment.

                    • Shahid Saleem

                      Obviously you need to read ZAB and TechWaterPistole’s comments. They don’t care about proven guilty or not.

                    • KMQ

                      Well I think these 2 guys agree on this point too, I am sure their point is to HANG the culprits and not anyone who is nominated for this. But once proven guilty, then not even a single minute should be wasted.

                      Lets put an end to this discussion, ZAB and TechTnT do you guys agree with above points?

                    • TechTnT

                      Agreed. Evidences must prove it.

                      Saying guilty is not enough.

                      Those who are acusing must come forward & help the process to complete.

                      Not only these but all such page admin ( lot more) must be hanged. Before something worse happens.

                      If the investigation was not done properly & exceptional favors( hiding realities) were given to accused the court decision will change & consequences were different.

                      But sorry to say when the case becomes high profile. Everyone directly/ indirectly involved jumps in to keep it shut down.

                      I am not in favor to acuse anyone with out proof. But once done. Law must be in action quickly.

                    • ZAB

                      Yes, I’m saying from the beginning that hang them immediately if proven guilty of doing blasphemy. Simple is that. Why would anyone would want to see innocent people hanging? Is those bloggers are blasphemers then their punishment should not be less than death.

                    • Muhammed Ovais Alam

                      Do you really think that the court will hang them without any proof?

            • Talal

              D*mb man, I was a regular visitor of those pages to condemn the posts of admins. They always did blasphemy against Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. and Allah and made fun of Islam. I am quite sure agencies have got screenshots as evidence for what they posted over the years.

              • Shahid Saleem

                And then so can you explain how the pages were updated AFTER those five people were held captive? Does not seem like evidence that those five are guilty if it was updated AFTER they were offline.

                And also can you explain why Ch Nisar was upset at FIA for registering FIR against those five people for blasphemy case?

                • Talal

                  Clearly you know nothing. People from agencies took over and started posting positive posts. In fact, in one post on a page they mentioned that it’s now owned by agencies of pakistan and they will run it now.

                  • Shahid Saleem

                    Agencies of Pakistan will run Bhensa page? LOOOOOOOOOOOL

                    • Talal

                      So according to your logic, only illiterate junkies work in agencies like FIA, ISI? And they are incompetent to track down a person running sh*t on Facebook?
                      Besides anybody from agencies who is active on social media can take over and post whatever he wants on those ceased pages.

                  • Geek At Large

                    There’s a new Bhensa page I guess. They criticize Mohammad’s personality and his life in a very distasteful way. And all our Pakistani brothers do is abuse and threaten to kill.

                    • Talal

                      Good for those Pakistanis. They need to step ahead and actually act upon their threats

                • ZAB

                  Tu nay kyuin Zameen Asmaan aik kiya huwa un panchon ko innocent sabit karnay main? Yeh tera ya mera kaam nahi hai. Agar woh panchoon sabit hon tou tujhey aitraaz hai koi unki saza pe? Evidence ki kia rat lagai hoi hai tu ne? Jo kaam huwa hai in pages pe us pe tou aik lafz nahi kaha tu nay condemn karnay ko. Aur keh raha hai k Muslim hun?

    • Geek At Large

      “Gustakh-E-Rasool Ki Saza
      Sir Tan Se Juda”

      Presenting religion of peace led by Rehmat-ul-lil-Aalameen.

      • ZAB

        Geeku so what do you want? Those should be left alive n free?

        • Geek At Large

          Those should be tolerated. Didn’t Mohammad tolerate people who said bad things about him?

          • ZAB

            Those should be tolerated to abuse? I wonder if u have even a 1% of ghairat. If u even know what ghairat is. You seem one of their like minded and companion. So u have problem if those pigs will go under trial?

            • Geek At Large

              See. You are now saying bad things about me just because I have a different opinion.

              There was a story in my school book that told me that there was an old lady who used to throw trash on Mohammad. When she got sick, Mohammad went to see her and took care of her. Is that story false?

              • TechTnT

                Only He (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) has the right to personally forgive some one. We as a Ummat don’t have the Right to forgive the abuser on His Behalf.

                When there is a Law follow it.

                BTW Different Opinion & Allowing an Abuser are opposite things.

                If you have love to learn things you will find answers but arguing without knowledge or deciding things on personal opinions. There will be clash.

                Simple. If still non conceivable then you have something that i can’t fix & don’t need to give further answer.

                Find the Expert or live with ignorance.

                • Geek At Large

                  “Only He (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) has the right to personally forgive some one. We as a Ummat don’t have the Right to forgive the abuser on His Behalf.”

                  What you’re saying doesn’t make any sense at all. If I’m a good person would I ask people to kill someone who says bad things about me? I don’t think so.

                  Mohammad forgave everyone who did bad to him in his own life and told you guys to kill anyone who says bad stuff about him?

                • Shahid Saleem

                  >>> Only He (Prophet Muhammad PBUH) has the right to personally forgive some
                  one. We as a Ummat don’t have the Right to forgive the abuser on His
                  Behalf.

                  What a weird thing to say! It is as if you don’t think before you post. By the same logic you have presented, then who gave you permission to kill someone instead of forgiving? How is “killing” a right but forgiving not? How much have you read about reward given to those who control their anger and also forgive in Hadeeth and Quran? Now tell me how much reward is given to those who kill except in the way of Allah?

              • ZAB

                Wow! Great, i just said even if u have 1% ghairat, you are making me reconsidering my words and don’t like it? Now where did your tolerance go that you had to even mention it? I didn’t even abuse u. And you want us to tolerate those pigs who did blasphemy openly and made jokes? Great! now i see.

                • Geek At Large

                  Well, if you want to use those words, be my guest.

                  I’m not going to kill you for that. : )

                  • ZAB

                    I’m just pointing your tolerance, that even a small point couldn’t go kool n easy with you, how come you are teaching others lesson of tolerance? I’m amazed.

                    • Geek At Large

                      You’ve a wrong idea of what tolerance is. I just pointed out that you’re resorting to badmouthing. I did not say any bad things about you. I did not harm you physically. That is tolerance.

                    • ZAB

                      Then when did i harm u? I didn’t say anything either but you became so impatient that you had to actually pointed out though u could simply answer. Stop this tolerance lecture, I’ve seen much of your tolerance.

                    • Geek At Large

                      I’m intolerant because I told you you’re using bad words for me. And you’re tolerant because you want people to be murdered because they use bad words for your religion. Gotcha.

                    • ZAB

                      Ghairat is not bad word. I can’t translate in urdu, i heard there’s no word as such in English dictionary. And i appreciate you that you are at least honest and saying openly that u r an atheist not like our own hypocrites who are Muslims in disguise.

                    • Geek At Large

                      There’s a word for ghairat in English: “honor”. I don’t have any religious affiliations but I do believe in God.

                    • ZAB

                      No honor is not Ghairat. Honor is not exact meaning. That’s why Ghairat can’t be explained in English.

                    • Geek At Large

                      “Ghairat” is actually an abstract concept that exists in subcontinent to oppress women and minorities. When we don’t have any logical reason to silence or counter someone, we just pull “ghairat” out of our pocket as one.

                    • ZAB

                      No geek, you won’t understand Ghairat, so please leave it. Don’t do your own interpretations.

                    • Geek At Large

                      I’ve grown up in Pakistani society and have lived about 3 decades. I understand what people mean when they say gherat. Ye tab bedaar hoti hay jb behan jeans pehen leti hay ya apni marzi sy shadi krne ki baat krti hay.

                    • Geek At Large

                      I’ve grown up in Pakistani society and have lived about 3 decades. I understand what people mean when they say gherat. Gherat triggers when a sister wears jeans or when she wants to marry a guy of her own choice.

                    • ZAB

                      No Ghiarat is above jeans, please don’t pressurize your mind on it, you won’t understand Ghairat.

                    • Geek At Large

                      Well then it’s a good thing that I don’t since I’m not going on a killing spree for religion.

                    • ZAB

                      Yes, Ghairat is not your cup of tea.

      • Zaheer Abbasi

        What is ur religion “ahmidi” teaches to insult other religion?

        • Geek At Large

          I don’t have any religion.

          • TechTnT

            I pray & wish you to have a religion & you become a Muslim not by looking in to misconception or personal interpretations. But by real Preachings of Islam.
            Do visit Allim-eDeen, Sufiya & Aulia Allah. Then Things will come to you mind & feel the beauty.

            Allah Know Better if you don’t have luck (qismat/naseeb) for that

            lakh di lanat teray jaman walayaan tay.

            • Geek At Large

              Not having any religion is my personal decision. What do my parents have to do with it? Your rage is misdirected.

              • Usman

                I agree with you brother it’s your own choice and Islam teaches the same thing

                “There is no compulsion in religion”

                These ignorant ppl have never even read mujadideen and the interpretations of older eras. They’ll believe whatever their muhalle ka molvi tell them. So there is no point arguing with them . Humanity is above everything according to Islam. Killing the blasphemers ain’t gonna solve any issue. You’ve to prove them wrong with evidence. No one focuses in that area and have turned religion of peace into something completely different.

                • Geek At Large

                  Glad to have one more sane voice.

                • TechTnT

                  another scholar jumped inn…lol

                  • Geek At Large

                    You don’t need to be a scholar to realize that killing people for religion is not okay. You just need to be a rational human being.

                    • Muhammed Ovais Alam

                      or an ‘Atheist’.

                    • Geek At Large

                      I lean deist. I do believe in God.

                    • Muhammed Ovais Alam

                      Great!
                      Atheist usually hates every other religion. They love disrespecting people and their religion and they usually hide behind fancy names (not saying that you’re one of them)

                    • TechTnT

                      if you have so much love for humanity why don’t you raise your voice where Muslim are Killed. Kashmir, Libay, Yemen, Afghanistan, Burma , Gaza, india (religion based killing)

                      isn’t it something else in your mind. Wrapped under the cover of Blasphemous. (social Terror)

                      you are continuously in a favor of abusing.

                    • Geek At Large

                      “why don’t you raise your voice where Muslim are Killed. Kashmir, Libay, Yemen, Afghanistan, Burma , Gaza, india (religion based killing)”

                      I’ve actually constantly talked about wrongful Indian occupation of Kashmir on different forums. During American elections, I supported Bernie Sanders who was in favor of cutting US AID to Israel and giving Palestinians back their land. I’ve also criticized Obama for not putting GW Bush and Dick Cheney on trial who waged unlawful wars on Afghanistan and Iraq.

                      Your assumption is just plain wrong.

                    • Geek At Large

                      “why don’t you raise your voice where Muslim are Killed. Kashmir, Libay, Yemen, Afghanistan, Burma , Gaza, india (religion based killing)”

                      I’ve actually constantly talked about wrongful Indian occupation of Kashmir on different forums. During American elections, I supported Bernie Sanders who was in favor of cutting US AID to Israel and giving Palestinians back their land. I’ve also criticized Obama for not putting GW Bush and Dick Cheney on trial who waged unlawful wars on Afghanistan and Iraq.

                      Your assumption is just plain wrong.

      • Khalid Yaldram

        Geek At Large Qadyani who hide his face and barking…………..

  • Pakistani

    Good Work by Islamabad High Court!

  • Pakistani Awam

    لبیک یا رسول اللہ ﷺ
    Allah ke fazal se ye khabees/gustakh apne anjam ko puhnchein ge..

  • Zafar Abbas Rizvi

    I am speecless after reading names of these culprits. They all seems muslims by name. And a true muslim can not even think about it forget doing something like this, even on price of his life.
    Allah sab ko hidayet de. Ameen

  • Geek At Large

    And the same people don’t care about the feelings of 20 million Ahmedis when they say blasphemous stuff about their prophet.

    • TechTnT

      do you know what is meant by Ahmedi ? if not then do some learning before making a corner decision.

      if yes then with due apology enjoy the same untraceable L that you familiy did.

      • Geek At Large

        Since I’ve studied all major religions in depth, I’ve a pretty great idea of what Ahmedi Islam is. Are you saying their feelings are less important than other Muslims?

        And kindly don’t resort to abuse and name-calling, it doesn’t help your cause.

        • Adonis

          This is Pakistan and every country has own laws and so we have and if you have any issue leave this country or abide by all laws

          • Geek At Large

            Oppressive laws are oppressive. As a Pakistani I’ve every right to speak up against the oppressive laws. Or do you think I’m less of a Pakistani than you?

            • Adonis

              This is oppressive according to your knowledge and you dont have any mandate to decide its oppressive or not

              Europe is considered civilized but they have many laws where no one can utter a word

              • Geek At Large

                “Europe is considered civilized but they have many laws where no one can utter a word”

                Highlight any three such laws in a single European country.

                • Adonis

                  Holocaust denial is a crime in 14 countries

                  go and visit these 14 countries and claim this as freedom of expression and you will be no more on planet earth

                • ZAB

                  You are not living in Europe. This is Islamic Republic of Pakistan and here Allah (SWT) and his Prophet (SAW) supremacy is above any and every law. And that too is where our constitution begins from.

                  • Geek At Large

                    I did not bring Europe into the discussion. Adonis did.

                    • ZAB

                      Whoever did but we don’t care about any law or person when it comes to our religion(full stop).

                    • Geek At Large

                      It’s pretty obvious you don’t care about human life. I don’t care about the religion that doesn’t care about human life.

                    • Adonis

                      On one side you blaming him and on the other side you blaming whole Islam for sheer this

                      My religion care about humanity and dont allow to kill anyone

                      “the one who killed one human being , killed the whole humanity”

                      but as far as law is concerned its Pakistan law the one who say anything bad will be hanged till death

                      its all about country law

            • ZAB

              I think you are less of Muslim, coz your Emaan is not completed until you love Mohammed (SAW) more than everything. And no lover will listen abuse against his beloved Prophet (SAW).

              • Geek At Large

                You know who listened most abuse against Mohammad? Mohammad himself. But he tolerated and treated those people good.

                You guys say you’re his followers but don’t want to do what he did. You want to kill people instead of tolerating.

                • ZAB

                  When we do not even tolerate listening against our parents than how come we would tolerate or even listen such sinful acts against our Prophet (SAW) on whose respect not only us but our parents n families will be qurban happily. And that too we will let go in this Islamic Republic? Why?

                  • Geek At Large

                    You kill people when they say something bad about your parents?

                    • ZAB

                      No, but i would definitely react, n here law is taking due course. So why u consider it a killing? They will be tried and if proven guilty they will get sentence accordingly. So why are so afraid about their punishment? Why u have sympathy for a bunch of abusers than the millions of people whose sentiments have been injured by those abusers? Don’t u see it as inhumane?

                    • KMQ

                      Aap ke buhat sare messages parhe, just ek request aap se. Will you mind commenting using your original identity / ID?

                    • Geek At Large

                      This has been my ID for last 5/6 years.

                    • KMQ

                      I know but I just wondered if you would have commented with your own identity on this matter that would have been great.

                    • Geek At Large

                      I hope there comes a day when we can have this kind of discussion without any fear in our country,. Right now I wouldn’t. I’m already receiving threats for my “unpopular” opinion.

                    • KMQ

                      Threats, how come threats? How can someone threat someone from disqus?

                    • Geek At Large

                      I misspoke, sorry about that. I wanted to say “hate”.

                    • Muhammed Ovais Alam

                      KMQ bhai aisa mat karo. REAL naam aur ‘maqsad’ pata chal jaega.

                • Adonis

                  and its nothing to do with Individual Act

                  Its about a law of Pakistan

                  You cant abuse our prophet in our own country

                  our country our rules

                  this is how things works in whole world

                  • Geek At Large

                    What you’re saying reads like this: Since we’re in majority, we don’t care about minorities. We care about our own feelings. We will make fun of every other religion and their religious personalities but if you say something about our religion or prophet you will be killed by the state or an enraged mob.

                    That’s might is right philosophy. You know where it belongs? In the jungle. I’m sorry I don’t want my country to be a jungle.

                    • Adonis

                      who said we dont care about minorities

                      all over the world there are certain laws for everyone which need to be followed and off course majority decides fate of countries and lead legislation

                      There is no policy of Pakistan which promote to make fun of other religion

                      this is not might is right

                      like in Few Indian States Muslims are not allowed to sacrifice cow

                      there are two options for them leave India or follow the rule

                      Its so simple

                      which you dont want to learn

                      There is not even a single country in the world where majority rules the fate of the country

                    • Geek At Large

                      “who said we dont care about minorities”

                      Well, for starters our constitution is bigoted. You guys claim to be the champions of equal rights and cheer a lot when a Muslim mayor is elected in London. However, section 41 of your constitution doesn’t allow a non-Muslim to be a Prime Minister of Pakistan and section 91 of the constitution forbids a non-Muslim to become a President. It means that you guys think a non-Muslim is less Pakistani than you Muslims.

                      Then our constitution declares Ahmedis as non-Muslims. Since when state become God? Isn’t it God’s jurisprudence to decide who’s Muslim and who’s not? Ahmedis are hated everywhere in Pakistan. So much so that they’ve to hide their religious affiliation.

                      Up till last year the state of Pakistan didn’t recognize Hindu marriages legally. It was only last year that law was passed. After 68 years. Transgenders have no rights in Pakistan. They’re even less than human beings.

                      We think that we care about minorities in our country but we literally don’t.

                    • Adonis

                      This is your point of view

                      every country has its own rules whats wrong if Pakistan have

                      Ahmedis declared non Muslims because they dont believe that SAW is last messenger/prophet

                      No one hates them for their religion

                      they are non Muslims but they are human beings too

                      Our religion taught us to treat others well

                      even i have good ahmedi friends and ahmedis are on good position in many institutions

                      you highlighted good points but there are many other areas where legislation need to be reviewed or changed and cant be labeled to religion

                    • Geek At Large

                      “No one hates them for their religion”

                      Yup, a mob burned down Ahmedi mosque a couple of months back but nobody hates them for their religion. Right.

                      “Our religion taught us to treat others well”

                      Did your religion teach you to kill people when they criticize your religion or prophet?

        • TechTnT

          can you please name the Religions , books & sources for them. it seems like you want to learn love & you studied the book of dogs.

          • Shahid Saleem

            Poor TechTnT, he has to hide his comments from his children. Shows how much proud he is.

            In fact, it shows he knows his behaviour is not acceptable. Otherwise, why hide?

            • TechTnT

              Because i don’t want moron like you come & p.e.e everywhere

              • Shahid Saleem

                If you have nothing to worry about, you have nothing to hide.

                But it seems… that you are a coward…

                • TechTnT

                  yes i am then what ?

    • Muhammed Ovais Alam

      20 million according to?

      Who’s their prophet? and when the Quran clearly stated that Prophet SAWW is the last prophet then how come we (anyone else) believe that Mirza Ghulam Qadiyani is (Naozobillah) a prophet?

      What do you propose? All those abusing him should be kept free in a state where it’s against the law.

  • guest

    wajib ul qatal hain ye loog.

    • Geek At Large

      Why?

      • Adonis

        We have certain laws and every Pakistan need to follow the laws, Its simple as ABC

        • Geek At Large

          You want to kill people because they said bad things about your religion? That’s fine with you?

          • Adonis

            I dont want to kill anyone nor anyone else but its courts who will decide the fate of that person and as per Pakistan law such person would be hanged till death.

            My religion dont allow to kill even a non Muslim but in our country its law if anyone say something wrong about our prophet he will be hanged till death

            so anyone want to live in Pakistan have to obey laws

            • Geek At Large

              Obeying a law and agreeing with it are two different things.

              And no, I don’t have to agree with all the laws of a country especially if they are oppressive and brutal. You guys want to kill people because they say bad stuff about your prophet while you disrespect other faiths, religions and religious personalities. That’s not only hypocritical but regressive.

              • Adonis

                Dear
                Already told you , it might be oppressive and brutal for you but not for everyone and every country has its own set of laws and every country has the right to establish laws. If you dont agree then leave the country because in democracy majority is authority.

                You can settle in any secular state but Pakistan is a Muslim country and we respect other religions but Ahmedi is something else and related too our religion too.

                Ahmedi is non Musilm according to our country law

                There is difference between hate speech and freedom of expression

                • Geek At Large

                  “Already told you , it might be oppressive and brutal for you but not for everyone”

                  Killing people for religion is not brutal for you and other Pakistanis?

                  • Adonis

                    why its crime to deny holocaust of jews in Europe ???

                    Its nothing to do with religion

                    Its about laws, crime and punishment

                    if anyone comment any crime it has certain punishments

                    people are being punished all over the world for crimes

                    • Geek At Large

                      It’s a stupid law. And the law doesn’t have a death sentence. Our laws are putting people to death. In fact our laws have made people take law into their own hands. For example Mumtaz Qadri.

                    • Adonis

                      you cant blame whole religion for individual acts

                      There is no where written anything about it in Islam

                      but its our love for our Prophet that if anyone in our country will say anything wrong about our prophet we will deal with him accordingly to our laws

                  • TechTnT

                    Its our Spiritual No Go Area. who ever cross it intentional he deserves the consequences…

                    • Geek At Large

                      And you think it’s okay to justify killing as a spiritual no-go area?

                    • TechTnT

                      just answer why one should be allowed to abuse ?

                      abusing don’t kill peace ?

                    • Geek At Large

                      No. Words don’t kill people.

                    • TechTnT

                      I asked … abusing don’t kills peace ?

                      You are replying… words dont kill people ….

                      Yes abusing do kill peace & results in killing people.

                      Its depends how much one care about the issue / person.

                      If you abuse me i may be patient & forgive. but if you abuse my Parents heat will increase & if level goes high the Heat will be uncontrollable.

                      Now you say it misguided rage or what ever its your opinion.

                      When we dont abuse then we don’t allow to abuse.

                    • Geek At Large

                      No. Abusing doesn’t kill peace in an intellectually evolved and mature society.

                    • TechTnT

                      You said due to your hate speech / different opinions you are receiving threats.

                      Isn’t it killing your peace ?

                    • Geek At Large

                      Hate speech is when you incite violence and try to convince people it’s fine to physically harm people. What I’m saying isn’t hate speech.

                      Are you saying that criticizing a religion is the same as giving a murder threat?

  • It’s a good thing that the police was sensible enough to register the FIR against “unidentified individuals” instead of naming any people directly. The burden of proof lies on the accusers here to prove that the people named above are indeed the ones running the said pages.

    Had someone been named directly, fanatics would’ve probably killed them before anything actually went to trail and their guilt (or innocence) could have been proven.

    • Geek At Large

      And then those fanatics will be hailed as heroes. Just like Mumtaz Qadri.

      • Adonis

        Everyone is innocent until proved guilty

        Its state who will decide not individuals

        • Exactly. And this is what our religion also teaches us. But this is a very sensitive issue for us and I think releasing any names in public (like the ones being mentioned in the article above) is very irresponsible until their guilt is proven.

          What if, by reading their names on ProPakistani, someone decides to take the law into their own hands (highly discouraged in our religion but still some ignorant people do that) and these people end up being innocent. That’s a very dangerous scenario and we all should play our part to make sure such incidents never happen.

        • Geek At Large

          Was Salman Taseer proven guilty?

          • Adonis

            I dont have mandate to comment about it but the one who killed him was punished by our country courts

            • Geek At Large

              “I dont have mandate to comment about it”

              You don’t need “mandate” to say NO. He wasn’t proven guilty.

              “who killed him was punished by our country courts”

              And hailed and revered as a hero by Pakistanis. We’re making murderers our heroes.

              • Adonis

                there might be some people who call him here and you cant label whole Pakistan for this

                • Geek At Large

                  That’s the first sensible thing you’ve said, I’d give you that.

              • Zaheer Abbasi

                It’s simple whether it’s ahmidi our Muslim a person who is abusing Islam should be hang till death.if u ahmidis don’t agree with Pakistani laws than its better for u to leave this country.

                • Geek At Large

                  Your religion of peace needs to kill people to stay strong?

                  • Zaheer Abbasi

                    It’s necessary to kill germs to stay healthy.

                    • Geek At Large

                      The fact that you think of human beings with different opinions as germs gives a great reflection on you and your religion.

                    • Adonis

                      how you can blame a religion for an individual act ???

                      this shows your extremism as well

                    • Geek At Large

                      Where did I blame religion?

                    • Adonis

                      The fact that you think of human beings with different opinions as germs gives a great reflection on you and “your religion”

                    • Geek At Large

                      Yeah, that reflects on your religion badly. That doesn’t MAKE your religion bad. It’s like when teachers say that your behavior and attitude is a reflection of your family. Now if you behave badly it doesn’t necessarily mean that your family is bad but your actions are making it look bad.

                      Nuance, my fellow Pakistani. Nuance.

                  • Adonis

                    its not Religion who established this law

                    Its our country which set this law

                    anyone who dont agree leave the country or abide by law

                    • Geek At Large

                      No. That’s not how things work. People have right to stand up against laws that they don’t agree with.

                      In 1960s millions of Americans stood up against slavery laws and that’s why blacks are free today.

                    • Adonis

                      People means majority

                      and i assure you majority people are standing with this law

                      if you have any problem please gather people and protest on roads

                      Keep my words

                      you will be all alone on the road

                    • Geek At Large

                      Majority doesn’t decide what’s right and wrong. In 700 A.D, majority thought that it’s okay to enslave people but we don’t do it anymore. If majority thinks it’s okay to kill people for religion, they’re wrong and I don’t stand with them even if I’m alone.

                      And no, when civil war started in US, protesters were in minority. The movement educated more and more people as it grew and finally in 1960s Lyndon B. Johnson, then president of the US, signed the Civil Rights Act which gave blacks more freedom.

                    • Adonis

                      who will decide then whats right whats wrong ???

                      please go and protest and change the law

                      i would love to see the result

                    • Geek At Large

                      Killing in the name of religion is wrong. Period.

                      “please go and protest and change the law”

                      More than law, people’s mentality needs to change. They think it’s fine to kill people for religion.

                    • Adonis

                      Relion is ,was and will always be an important part of human lives

                      and there are certain laws all over the world

                      its all about laws and countries

                      no laws means like law of jungle

                    • Geek At Large

                      “relion is ,was and will always be an important part of human lives”

                      No. According to the recent statistics, around 17% of world’s population has no religious affiliation anymore. That’s the highest % in human history for irreligious people.

                      Laws shall be appropriate. Murdering people for religion isn’t appropriate. And you can’t show me any example outside of the Muslim world where state kills people for saying bad words. That only happens in Muslim countries that follow the religion of “peace”.

                    • Adonis

                      83% is a large number

                      thats your opinion and any country has the right to not honor your opinion

                      Non Muslim countries has killed and destroyed more number of human being rather than your blamed Islamic countries

                      this so called developed countries has ruined the peace planet earth

                    • Geek At Large

                      83% is a large number but it used to be 99% just 100 years ago.

                      Yeah, they have destroyed other countries. They don’t oppress and kill their own people like we do.

                    • Graham Goon

                      Ease up dude. Sheeple are everywhere in PK and they think they’re the only protectors of Islam left in the world. Even the saudis are lessor muslims than PKis. You’re just wasting your breathe. Logic doesn’t work with an emotional nation. A judge that is supposed to be impartial makes an emotionally driven statement is all you need to know why the world laughs at PKis.

                      Good job trying to do your bit though. Cheers.

                    • Adonis

                      Check stats how many Americans have been killed by own country men before blaming us

                      Check where Pakistan stands on that list

                    • Geek At Large

                      Let’s say more Americans have killed their fellow countrymen compared to Pakistanis. Then it is okay to kill our own people for religion because Americans killed their people too?

                    • ZAB

                      Then why killing in self defense is right and universally accepted?

                    • Geek At Large

                      Self-defense occurs when someone else has already physically assaulted you and your life is in danger. Someone who’s criticizing your religion or prophet is not putting anyone’s life in danger.

                    • ZAB

                      Ohh so in that case killing is justified?

                    • ZAB

                      So finally u justified killing in some case. Good. So that way when someone tries to intrude in our religious values than his death is justified too.
                      your way can be different but u too justified killing since that person is hurting u physically. So for us blasphemy is more than if a person tries to kill us physically.

                    • Geek At Large

                      Well then you’re just painting a very bad picture of your religion and prophet.

                    • ZAB

                      It means, killing in your case is justified but if some blasphemers get their fate, that is wrong? Why double standards?

                    • Geek At Large

                      Killing in my case is justified because if I don’t I’ll be killed. That’s perfectly rational.

                      Killing in your case is not justified because no one’s at risk. Your religion is making you take a human life.

                    • ZAB

                      Yes that’s what i am saying, that in ur case you justified it. means there is space of killing in some particular case. Right?

                    • Geek At Large

                      That’s an absurd argument. That means everyone has a right to kill if they consider something worse than physical harm.

                      If Ahemdis started considering it worse than physical harm if you called them non-Muslims, would you let them kill you?

              • Adonis

                Agreed , he wasn’t guilty but court decided and punished the guilty one

  • Muhammed Ovais Alam

    People are ‘hiding’ behind fancy names and still supporting those Aholes.
    Salute to all ‘Desi Liberals’ and ‘Fuktards’.

    • Geek At Large

      The problem is you’re not contributing anything useful to the discussion. If you think it’s okay to kill people for religion then give compelling arguments for it. Calling me a fucktard doesn’t add anything to the discussion.

      • Muhammed Ovais Alam

        I NEVER quoted YOU or any specific person. Why you think you’re the ‘fucktard’ I am talking about?
        Where did I said anything about killing anyone?

        • Geek At Large

          Because I’m the only one arguing against it.

          • Muhammed Ovais Alam

            Apologies, if you feel that I quoted you.
            It was not meant for you.

          • ZAB

            No u r not alone in this journey, our own few so-called Muslims are your companions too. So don’t feel alone, you’ll find here many.

  • Mainichi

    I say we ban social media because there are pages showing blasphemous content.
    Ban internet because it hosts social media. Ban electricity because it
    is needed to run the internet. Ban the water used to make electricity. Ban everything! Then we can live in our little bubble where no one can hurt our feelings.

    • Muhammed Ovais Alam

      Who proposed banning social media?
      Why being so rational?

      • Mainichi

        Reload my comment.

        • Muhammed Ovais Alam

          Blasphemous content should be allowed because of ‘freedom’ drama?

          • Mainichi

            No no, ban everything

      • Geek At Large

        This judge actually said that if government fails to remove blasphemous content, he’ll order a blanket ban on social media.

      • Geek At Large

        This judge actually said that if government fails to remove blasphemous content, he’ll order a blanket ban on social media.

    • ZAB

      Copy pasted comment n old one. Come up with new thing.

      • Mainichi

        farming upvotes. give me a break man

    • Usman

      The third sane person here Congo!?