CMPak, that operates in Pakistan with the brand name of Zong, has sent a legal notice to Pakistan Telecommunication Authority for auctioning spectrum that is noisy and corrupted due to in-band interference caused by widespread usage of DECT 6.0 devices.
Zong, in a notice sent through its counsel, said that PTA, in collaboration with Frequency Allocation Board (FAB) put the defective band up for auction despite the fact that interference in the band was there since before the auction and is still in place despite PTA’s various damage control actions.
It maybe recalled here that Zong had participated in the spectrum auction in 2014 and was awarded frequency spectrum band of 1920-1930 and 2110-2120MHz for 3G network and services. Moreover, DECT 6.0 devices — that are imported from abroad — operate in the same 1920-1930MHz — create interference in Zong’s spectrum.
Notice said that PTA and FAB didn’t remove such interference from the band and sold a spectrum that wasn’t suitable for purpose of offering next-gen services.
Legal Notice, a copy of which is exclusively available with ProPakistani, said that sale of this defective band breach the warranties that came with spectrum purchase.
Zong demanded to be allocated a 5MHz substitute spectrum with refund of 5MHz spectrum and USD 40 million agasint damages
According to Zong’s Counsel, the situation has resulted into sub-standard next-gen services from the company with huge capacity losses and consequent investments, business and reputational damage to the company.
Legal Notice said that matter had been raised with concerned authorities, i.e. with PTA and FAB, during mid-2014. However, the issue hasn’t been addressed at fullest so far. Zong’s Notice accepted that PTA carried noticeable damage-control actions, however, scale of problem is still limitless given the undocumented number of DECT 6.0 cordless phones.
Notice said that with ongoing CAPEX and OPEX, Zong can not wait indefinitely for the spectrum to get cleared, while it paid full spectrum fee in a single go in advance.
Notice said that FAB’s proposal of substitute band allocation for Zong will incur significant additional cost associated with network modification and deployment on the new tentative band.
Legal Notice requested PTA to respond to legal notice with-in 15 days with following demands:
- Zong should be allocated 5MHz of a substitute band in 1950-1955MHz and 2140-2145MHz band and remaining price of 5MHz that Zong has already paid — along with KIBOR plus 3 percent — should be refunded.
- If money isn’t refunded then an equivalent amount of money must be rebated against various fee and dues that Zong will have to pay to PTA in future.
- Zong be given a compensation of US 40 million dollars for
- Loss of revenues during last 12 months
- loss of market share
- incremental costs incurred during this time in network optimization, cost of additional resources deployed to identify, evaluate and combat interference.
Notice said that PTA should settle these claims with-in 15 days, failing to which may result into further action for the redress.
Copy of the legal notice was also shared with Prime Minister Office, FAB, Chinese Embassy, MoIT, Cabinet Division and Finance Division.
Update
A Pakistan Telecommunication Authority spokesperson told ProPakistani that Zong and PTA, during a recent meeting after above mentioned legal notice, almost agreed on a solution.
He didn’t mention any details but said that a solution is being worked out and issue will be resolved amicably.
Zong Walo Hatth Thora Hola Rakho Yar… ;)
Hahaha lgta he aap pta ki taraf se bol rhey ho :P
They are talking about 3G band that zong acquired 1920-30MHz bandwidth which is the frequency used by Cordless Phones Dect 6.0 and people are commenting about 4G. Warid has refarmed 5 Mhz for LTE while on the other hand Zong has 2x10Mhz slots for LTE which is par smoother than warid.
I Think you have no sense of humour i know what is the current scenario bro.
AB OUNT(PTA) AAYA PAHAR KE NECHE
that’s great.
Pta should have cleared spectrum, that sucks,
But does GSM 1800 faces such interference too?
No not yet
Yeh baat i think this is going to be a big news in coming days if no settelment happen between zong and pta.
PTA walay paisay dey hi naa dain lols.. lakin zong bhi china ka hay band baja dega.. may god bless Pakistan.
Zong should pressurise pta and get there GSM 1800 spectrum converted to lte alongside there existing bandwidth of 10 mhz then they will have insane speeds XDDD
since i’m not a tech savvy person … can you explain me that even after auction of 4G license how are you still saying that 1800 spectrum allotted to zong is NOT lte/4G…… plz any telecom engineer here ??
He probably pointing out 800 MHz spectrum
You don’t have to be a tch savvy to understand this, what iam sayng is remember how warid refarmed there GSM 1800 for lte 1800 use, that’s what iam sayng they should add more bandwidth from there already acquired GSM 1800 and use it in lte to increase quality, because 1800 band has too much bandwidth and potential using it for just 2g services ain’t that efficient way of using spectrum
Because future is lte,
Look at this article by ZTE, they suggest why its critical to use 1800 band as lte
www .zte.com.cn /cn/events/lteworld2012/ solutions/ 201205/t20120516_364210.html
I think Zong has 800 Or 900 MHz spectrum of GSM. Correct me if I am wrong
Every teleco in Pakistan has 900/1800 band for GSM devices
Look at this
they r just messing things they are not capable of providing good Qos thats why making lame excuses just like telenor as there system is always upgrading
in the eyes of customers while actually there systems are flaw
Aprreciate zong’s efforts to improve the quality of next-gen services, which will not just help them, but help the telecom industry as a whole.
Correct me if i am wrong.
Why is Warid not raising this issue too given that they are operating on the same frequency?
Warid is using 1800MHz refarmed for LTE. DECT6 doesn’t interfere with it.
Couldn’t agree more
yup exactly. you me relate that with people saying Warid LTE works on their LTE Phones like Motorola [Verizon] etc but Zong’s 4G doesn’t work.
Yea sadly my zong also dont work on pantech phones aka sky vega series.
Any handset having 1800mhz for lte will support both zong n warid Lte
zong 4g to nahe chalrahi ,I haven’t checked warid’s.
http://www.waridtel.com/lte/lte-handset-portal/handset-deals/gfive/about-gfive grab this latest deal by warid
Lte in pakistan is working on 1800mhz while verizon in usa works on 700mhz so it’s not possible to use warid or zong lte. Yes u can use 3g as its same 2100mhz for both
China walo k sath HAND kar dia PTA ne (Y) Bare kehty phrty thy Pakistan First 4G Network. Warid has latest technology 4G LTE begair spectrum kharide hue :D Huge loss of ZONG.
N zong has now realized how warid has refarmed 5mhz for lte so now its repenting on purchasing 10mhz
This exposes the Zong fanboys who routinely claim that Zong has the best internet services in Pakistan. Now we know that Zong itself thinks it’s services are not upto par to competition.
these are not merely claims this is a reality (try for your self to feel the difference) you can compare warid’s 4g with zong’s ..at random and you’ll find that at any given time Zong’s speed is faster than warid …. but the thing is that Zong can improve their existing fastest speed even more … then why settle for less … when you(zong) have paid lump sum for both licenses considering no other operator has shown such confidence in the Market… their Complain is Valid.
genuine point. i second you on this
They don’t market there quality like every one else does , but I have used there data services at several different locstions and cities but they came out to be consistent
N wat will u say about cutting back from 10mhz to 5mhz ???
this report is incorrect Zong didnt asked for cutting to 5MHz or any refund. they just strictly asked for change of spectrum. And for your info issue is in 3g spectrum, they are not even discussing 4g
This report clearly shows that they are requesting for downgrade. Kindly share the correct news if you have.
go and search chairman pta reply on this
آپ تو لگتا ہے ناراض ہو گے- اب ذرا یہ بھی بتا دیں PTA کا reply کہاں سے ملے گا-
You mean Propakistani is spreading false news? And what about the legal notice from zong to pta in which zong demand refund for 5mhz inboth soectrums???
if u read again their 4g is running on 1800 MHz and they never ask for cut against this spectrum. they mention only 1900 and 2100 MHz spectrum on which 3g is running. as their 3g spectrum is 2*10 which is 1*10 on 1900 and 1*10 on 2100
U need to review ur comment
correct me please if i am wrong as i am not rigid about my views
http://www.fab.gov.pk/uploads/site/1.9-2.pdf
Zong has edge that they have 3G band , and biggest draw back in Warid is that ppl directly come from LTE to Edge (where 4G is nt available) , but if we compare LTE of Warid and Zong then Warid is more smooth.
Dear at mostly locations where 3G or 4G isn’t available you are going to have edge & Warid is still leading in terms of quality n price when it comes to both edge n 4g
zong is asking for compensation of loss of revenue and marketshare. This isn’t consistent with your “why settle for less” logic.
Recently I asked zong csr about my 4g not working n he immediately suggested me to downgrade my cell mode from auto tou 3g n eventually it worked so its obvious there 4g is down
Such To Ye Ha Zong Ko Ihsas Ho Gia Ha US Se Boht Bari Galti Ho Gai Ha Itni Bari Investment Kar K 3G Main Telenor or Mobilink NE Or 4G Main Warid Lte or PTCL Charji NE Daal Nahi Galny D
Zong Ka User 20 K Load Se Uper Nahi Ha isly Bagny K Bahany Bana Rahi Ha
Pehly PTCL Par Case Kia K Wo Charji Cloud Par 4G Lte K Logo Se Sale Kar Raha Ha Or Ab Pta Par 10MHz
Lol, itne log Zong 4g pe shift hogaye hain and log mehnga hone k bawajod Zong ka data prefer kar rahe hain Q k wo quality data hai
Sab Se Mengha Network Ha Zong
lols. I am using zong 4g 50 gb in 2000. what is the rate of warid 50 gb lte volume? ohhhhhh sorry 50 gb is not available on warid che che che only 35 gb woh b 3000 mein. ab 4g pe downloading k liye raat bhar ullu ban k jaago ya Rawalpindi, Multan ya Hayderabad ka visa lagwao lolxx
and remember i also have edge of 3g where 4g coverage not available.
Warid lte in 17 cities zong lte in 31 cities with 100+ 3g cities.
tell me a single reason i should prefer warid? dont include city offers as they are limited to 5% users.
…plus Zong is 1.5-2 timees faster than warid… and in the peak hours Zong is about 4 times faster than Warid.
Warid walon se speed ki baat nahin karni chahiye. jinhon ne zong ki speed dekhi hi nahin un k liye warid hi best rehne do :P
Lol true that
Check Warid 4G Speed Test
which city and area please? I am actually shocked to see that..
Islamabad Nust University
thats amazing .. I think I should port to Warid .. ZONG is just messing things now :(
Warid 4G Best Quality Network in Pakistan
Jis Tarha China K Mobile 2 No Isy Tarha Zong 2No
Bhai ap
LTE Discovery
app use kar key bata sakte ho ap kis frequency per ho?
Bas speed hi test kartay rehna
Warid is offering 16gb in rs 800 plus 1 gb per night daily & 10gb in rs 500 plus 1gb per night daily
16 and 10 gb myn speed hi check kar saktay hyn aap, ya phir raat bhar jaago ullu ban kar
Warid offer is for one month per customer, at least that is what they did with me last month Rs:500 for 10Gbs and this month Rs:500 for 5Gbs only.
I’m Using Warid 4G Rawalpindi Islamabad Offer 50Gb in 1000 Rupee
And Warid Also Offer Double Faida Offer 16Gb For Day And 30Gb For Night in 800 Rupee
wohi raat bhar jaago ullu ban kar
Bewakoof Warid 4G Lte 1Gb Data Download in 5 minutes Yani 8:50 Pe Downloading Lagao Or 9am Par Laptop Band
Ullu k kaam same speed zong ki jab chahay use karo
Zong 4G Ka Packegs Batao Jo SIM Par Use Hota Ho Jo Sab Se Cheap Ho Please Mifi Device Ka Na Bata Kon 4G K Dor Main Wingal Utha Kar Ya Dsl Ki Tarha Ghar Main Ponch Kar Wifi Ka Qareeb Ho Kar Bethy
Main Already 200 Main 10Gb Data Use Kar Raha Hoon Without Any Time Limits Jub Dil Karta Ha 100 Main 5Gb Data Activate Kar Sakta Hoon or Remaining Data Bhi Sath Hi Add Ho Jata Ha
Tumhari Kharash Kam Karny K Liay Screen Shot Bhi Laga Raha Hoon
Yehi kaam Faisalabad ya lahore aa ke kar k dikhao tumhara keera b khatam ho jaye ga
Pathi
Agreed.
Aur zaroori nahin mifi ya wingle use karo. Simple data sim le k b same package use kar saktay ho
Ankhain Khol Kar Batao Konsa Packeg 2000 Main 50Gb Ha
check zong mifi packages. same packages work on data sim. aur haan aankhein khol k dekhna
Lol Data SIM
Its limited time offer. Will end soon.
8 Month Ho Gay Hain Enjoy Karty
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4309f939828f7adcf4ce0e3413e87fd67991ed94d20e4bd342d32384f480ba52.jpg
zong sab se acha 3g de rahay hai. i m using it.
Their is almost no difference in Zong 3G and Zong 4G…. ,
and Warid LTE is better then Zong 4G but Warid user came directly from 4G to 2.5 G because they dont have 3G service…
check recent PTA report. which company providing better lte
Sir China Mobile ke liye yeh investment is like pennies. They can make a couple of more investment like this in different countries and still have no issue. But yes, when you pay for something you should get what you asked for. Right ke liye fight kerna is correct.
Kash yeah baat Pakistani in ki samajh me aajaye… Aik false advertisement me kaam krne per Shahrukh Khan per India k logon ne case krdiya tha. Yahan har co.pany bewaqauf banarahi hai per awam kuch nhi krti.
Than why they r cutting back to 5mhz
Aisa nahi hai zong service is good but yes when telenor n warid could succeed with 5mhz zong is thinking it has purchased alot in 10mhz
hahahahaha telenor 5MHz peak hours mein raat 8 k baad 2G ban jata hai. i checked in so many areas of Faisalabad at that time
Zong is owned by the Chinese. I think they have realized Pakistan khoti investment hai. I think they will not be spending anymore money here.
Good Work CMPak,
They are facing high RTWP, 99 – 85 dBm on 1920 – 1930 MHz band, in many cities due to DECT 6.0. It only affect their 3G services ( QoS and CS drop rate). While Zong 4G is unbeatable right now :)
I thought there 4g is effected?
No, 1920 – 1930 MHz is their uplink 3G Band. (1900/2100)
4G is on 1800MHz band
3G: http://www.pta.gov.pk/media/ngms_freq_090714.pdf
4G: http://www.pta.gov.pk/media/lte_1800_spec_090714.pdf
But I faced issue in 4g of zong n csr advised me to switch to 3g only mode n it was fine than
it may be a problem of some specific place.
shukar ha kisi nay to PTA ko tuna
I think ZONG is the only operator in Pakistan that is promised to provide best 3G and 4G services in Pakistan. PTA is sleeping authority that has no concerns as with consumer issues or CMOs issues. PTA is not reacting actively to remove any of public interest’s matters so far. Good decision by ZONG. PTA now should draft policies on realistic manners that all CMOs must provide QoS that is the best.
kabhe na kabhe koi na koi to karta
wesay b Pakistan main koi kam standard k mutabiq nahe hota..
wesay he telecom industry Pakistan main grow kar rha hai aur hamari govt hamesha asi industry k pechay parh jati hai..
at the end awam ko he loss hoga
in logon nay Internet py tax laga dia , telecom aur I.T products py tax.
Zong 4G me koi acha sa Pakage e bata 2 dosto.. Sunna sab se achi speed hai iski
50 GB in 2000 Rs
Koi Offer wagara nai ?
mtlab 8,10 rupy me unlimited aur time fix.
nhi
https://propakistani.pk/2015/07/29/pta-bans-cordless-phones-as-they-disrupt-3g-frequencies/
PTA kind of accepted the guilt already or may be Zong(most likely) is taking advantage of the situation. Did they, both Zong and PTA, not knew we have been using DECT 6.0 since before 4G auction?
I fully support zong decision. pta is one of the most corrupt institution in Pakistan. It serves the interests of only PTCL like Wadera jagerdar in vilages. zong is right. pta officials should be punished and fined for such negligence
Interference caused by DECTs in limited to specific parts of country. How they can fight legally on this issue. They didn’t lose market share instead their customers increased remarkably.
in big cities every 5th house is using cardless phones in their houses. and PTA failed to control sale of these phones as they are available in mega stores like Metro and Alfatah forget to control local shops
Chalo kisi ne to himaat dikhayi :)
And what about the thousands Cordless phones(including me) these PTA crooks have confiscated if the ban over 1900 MHZ is removed?
PTA high level authority should be sacked asap, how could they offer this frequency in the first place and why zong bid, knowing this would happen.
its all about daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
جمہوریت پر لعنت … عامر بھائی یہ نون کی حکومت کا ہی قصور ہے نا ؟؟؟
Yeah China hai Pakistan nhi jahan k log apne haquq k liye awaz nhi uthate
I have lived in CHina and I know their system. Stop following western media blindly!
he would love to get some love from Chinese govt. Lets send him there for life :D
OK tell me about their system?
Awaz hi nahe woh utathey badmashon ko dunya se bhi uthadete hain
Lols
Acha wo kaise?
google it
What I Google?
So that’s why there 3g doesn’t work too good indoors O.O
but Why they are trying to refund there 5mhz bandwidth
KOi bataye warid apni 4g kis per chalaraha hai? 1800mhz per? aur zong kis per?
Both 1800Mhz Band 3
Sufi .. Bat to tum theek krty ho par bt ye ha kay agar tmray pas chalta ha warid kya iska ye matlab poray pakistan mai chalta ha ?? Warid ki service 4G ki to buhat limited ha .. Sufi mjay tmray speedtest pr bh shak ha ye kahi zong kay to nai??
Zong is already providing so good 3G / 4G Service. If the spectrum issue is resolved. Expect More speed.
Bat To Tum Aysy Kar Rahy Ho Jesy Zong Ki Coverage Pury Pakistan Main Ha Or Sub Se Mengha Network Ha 3G Main Telenor Best Ha 4G Main Warid Zong Ki To Ye Halat Hoi Ha Unhon Ne MNP BLOCK Kar Rakhi Ha Or Activate SIM Disown B Block Kar Rakhi Ha Froad Company Zong Dhong
This blurb needs to be edited: “Zong demanded to be allocated a 5MHz substitute spectrum with refund of 5MHz spectrum and USD 40 million agasint damages”